Talk:Santa Monica, California

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History[edit]

I wrote the two history paragraphs, which focus on two individual events. They are not intended as a comprehensive history. I'm working on one and will post it soon. Willmcw 02:55, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Okay, why delete the stuff about 'Bay City' and the gambling ships? Frankly, they were the most interesting parts. --Calton 08:25, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Glad you like that story. Don't worry, I'll post it back in a minute. Willmcw 08:30, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

In regards to Douglass Aircraft I have two possible corrections. In 1922 it was founded where Douglass Park is on Wilshire just west of 26th St. The planes that went around the world in 1924 were built there. The factory was at Clover Field (Santa Monica Airport) into the 70's instead of the 60's as stated in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.46.245.25 (talk) 00:50, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Demographics section image[edit]

Quick note: in the demographics section, the image is bleeding over the line of text above it (the second line of text in the section for me)... I have no idea how to fix this, but someone should. Thanks!! aubrey 06:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Geography[edit]

Where do these statistics come from? There's no way to calculate Santa Monica's area that makes it 48% water. I found an equally absurd number in an article on another city. Willmcw 22:12, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

What about [(link edited out - it was to the blacklisted tiny url dot com, if you still want to access it, it was tiny url dot com slash 3zdb9) this map]? It looks like the city is going into the water by quite a bit. I know that's not the best map, but perhaps this is how area is calculated in census area calculations. -- Ilya 00:55, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Yes, I think that you have found it. Moving west, I see that Malibu, just a narrow strip of land, is shown with borders extending far out into the ocean, explaining its 84% water statistic. (Not knowing the best place to initiate this discussion, I also posted to the Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Let me copy your reply there so that others can see it. I suspect that the area and water% are wrong for every coastal community. Willmcw 01:49, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

FYI, it was discovered that the figures include the 3-mile limit. Legally, that section of the ocean is included in the city limits. -Willmcw 23:41, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Weather[edit]

I tried to cleanup some of what 24.226.210.63 entered under the weather category, but I did not do any verifications of the numbers, which probably needs to be done. gK ¿? 07:47, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the cleanup. User 24.226.210.63 has a history of posting inaccurate edits so it bears checking. And the whole thing is way too long. Since it applies equally to all the communities along Santa Monica Bay, to a general LA Area climate section or article -Willmcw 23:39, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)


There is a large discrepancy between the number of sunny days listed in the wikipedia entry (325) and what appears on the yahoo relocator profile for Santa Monica (281). This needs verification and cleaning up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.182.97.231 (talk) 04:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. That discrepancy could be due to taking measurements at City Hall (near the beach) versus the airport (further inland). However the current figure is unsourced. We ought to find some figure from a reliable source. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 04:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

THERE ARE NO ZONES 11A in California. None. I just looked at SM for Dec of 2015- below 50 AVERAGE..

This is common for soucal gardening enthusiasts to claim "11A". Its not backed up by science. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4101:4167:40AE:1F73:64E6:AD1 (talk) 04:12, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Bus Fares[edit]

The City of Santa Monica runs its own bus line, the Big Blue Bus, which also serves much of the Westside and UCLA. It is generally considered to be one of the best run bus lines in California, as evidenced by the fact that it did not raise its regular fare above 25 cents until 2002. In contrast, most public bus lines in California were charging fares of a dollar or higher well before the year 2000.

I'm pretty sure 2002 is when the fares were raised from fifty cents to seventy-five cents.

Attractions and cultural resources[edit]

Just a simple edit, changed McCabes Guitar Shop to McCabe's Guitar Shop --Devon Rifkin 06:01, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Beef vendors?[edit]

Is that the same as butchers? Can anyone name some of these vendors? -Willmcw 15:18, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Infobox City[edit]

I've filled out {{Infobox City}} for Santa Monica, but I didn't put it in the article because the layout looked weird. It can be found at /Infobox. If someone who edits this article more frequently could integrate my efforts, that would be cool. Mike Dillon 23:00, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

This infobox has long since been added to the article, so I have requested deletion of the subpage at /Infobox. Mike Dillon 01:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Beach pictures[edit]

Can we stop adding beach pictures? There are five in the article. That's more than enough. -Will Beback 05:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Essay[edit]

  • As the healthy air beachhead of the great metropolis of Los Angeles and its Hollywood mystique Santa Monica enjoys the benefits as a great place to live, work and shop for these that can afford it. As perhaps the most compassionate, generous, humane and environmentally correct place on the planet, the liberal leaning city council is on the leading edge in addressing the issues of homelessness, affordability and pollution. The homeless are feed on the lawn of the City Hall. Very strong rent control laws protect renters. Aggressive grants build hundreds of affordable housing units. Infrastructure improvements protect the bay from contaminated runoff. The voters support the agenda with an annual budget of about a half a billion dollars. They have the funds to do it as a result of immense local wealth generated by businesses and tourism. There are about 500 restaurants and several high-end shopping districts including Third Street Promenade, Montana Avenue and Main Street. Real estate is all very expensive. The zip code 90402 on the northern boundary is typically cited as the most expensive in Los Angeles County with houses selling for about $1,000 per square foot. That’s $4,500,000 for a 4,500 square foot house on a postage size 7,500 square foot lot two miles from the beach. With zoning limitations recently tightened, the city is quickly becoming “built out”.

This material isn't entirely bad, but it isn't entirely good either. The tone is a bit too promotional, there are no sources for the factual assertions, the opinions are just that, and some of it duplicates what is already written. If the author can fix those problems some of these points would be helpful. -Will Beback · · 23:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

It could use some copy-editing too. e.g.: "The homeless are feed on the lawn ..."? (Hmm. They are feed? What eats them?) Jordan Brown 06:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Disambig and redirects[edit]

Santa Monica was recently changed from a redirect to a disambig page. I'm not sure that's the right answer. Let's discuss at Talk:Santa Monica.

Jordan Brown 08:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Only one comment. Is there anybody else around with an opinion? Jordan Brown 05:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Rearranged per Talk:Santa Monica (disambiguation). (Note that the link above no longer points to the discussion, because I moved the page.) Jordan Brown 04:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Businesses[edit]

The Businesses section was getting kind of awkward, and this edit isn't even a proper sentence... but I don't immediately see how to fix it in a way that doesn't make the section more awkward than I can stand.

It's tempting to turn it into a bullet list, but that's not very appealing.

Ideas?

Jordan Brown 05:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

If we keep the section we should make sure that the most notable companies in Santa Monica, past and present, are included. For example, Douglas Aircraft. Per other lists, only notable businesses (those with WP articles) should be included. -Will Beback · · 22:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Take a look and tell me what you think. Jordan Brown 04:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

Someone added the "Westside Persian Crime Mob" to the gang activity section. Sounds like racist vandalism to me. Remove? 76.80.21.253 19:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

People "from" Santa Monica[edit]

As with any section like this, it needs to be limited to people actually born and/or raised in the area. Adam Goldberg, Sean Astin, and Miguel Ferrer (of the ones I did spot checks of) all were actually born in S.M. Ben Affleck was not.RoyBatty42 23:00, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, most sections like this are named "notable residents" to avoid limiting it to those born or raised in a place. I'd recommend changing the heading in this article to match the conventional usage. Since S.M. has two active hospitals, there have been many births in the city to parents who live in surrounding communities, so it isn't a pure criteria either. -Will Beback · · 08:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

SaMo[edit]

I have lived in Santa Monica for nearly 10 years, and have never heard the term SaMo until reading this article. I don't know where that came from, but I can assure you that no one here uses that term. Maybe the homeless? 76.167.145.143 02:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

It is used as a prefix in "SaMoHi". I think I have heard or seen "SaMo" used, perhaps as a jocular analog to "SoHo", "NoHo" "WeHo", etc. It's pretty rare though, in my opinion. However a Google search on [samo monica] brings up some results that might include a use in a reliable source. However it's not an important nickname. As far as this article goes, "SaMo" could go or stay. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 08:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
If you don't hang around kids, you're less likely to hear SaMo. Don Williams 03:45, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
No one says SaMo, especially not "kids", since they don't frequent popular NYC neighborhoods. SanMo is used by locals. 64.47.164.86 (talk) 23:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I have lived hear for over 20 years and hear it frequently. It is used by locals and longtime residents of the city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.90.2.60 (talk) 06:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I was born and raised here, am 36 years old, and have never heard anyone say SanMo. That is ridiculous. No one I know says SaMo either, except in reference to SaMoHi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.21.42 (talk) 07:47, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Environmentalism[edit]

While i think this article is pretty good, it lacks a well-known characteristic of the city: Environmentalism. Santa Monica is often compared to cities like Berkley or Santa Cruz for being very eco-friendly. Some interesting facts:

  1. Citywide water usage was reduced by 6.3% between 1990 and 2000
  2. Citywide greenhouse gas emissions were cut by 5.2% between 1990 and 1997
  3. They eveloped an environmentally preferable purchasing program which has been copied throughout the world
  4. The number of publicly assisted affordable housing units in the city increased by 47% between 1990 and 1998
  5. The total amount of public open space in the city increased by 10% between 1990 and 2000

Source: http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/greenla/santamonica.html

There's also a huge amount of info (including an annual 'sustainable city' report card) at http://www.smgov.net/epd/

Shouldn't some of this be mentioned in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.168.67.104 (talk) 12:11:13, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

I think the end of the "Environment" section sounds like advertising, especially the last line: "Add in the miles of beaches, extensive curbside recycling, farmer’s markets, community gardens, the city’s nimble bus system and Santa Monica is clearly more than just another bathing beauty." Istaro (talk) 06:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Gangs and SAMO???[edit]

Why are there more than thirty lines devoted to Gangs, when this is mostly irrelevant is Santa Monica? Besides, refern to the "ganagsters" by their names seems like an unwworthy promotion to this small gangs and their followers. Finally, I have to agree with the person who wrot e about SAMO. I live in Santa Monica and I have never heard about SAMO (or Harvard-by -the-sea) by the way —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josea.sole (talkcontribs) 06:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps because gang activity in the Pico neighborhood, due to its generally small scale and it being confined to a small part of the city, is often overlooked, and its being overlooked is part of a long-standing issue in Santa Monica about the city government ignoring the Pico Neighborhood? No residents of the Pico Neighborhood have ever served on the Santa Monica City Council and all members of the Santa Monica City Council have been non-Latino whites (although Oscar de la Torre, a Latino resident of the Pico Neighborhood, is currently on the school board and Bob Kronovet, a non-Latino white Pico resident, is on the rent control board). There have been proposals to convert the City Council districts from being at large to representing specific parts of the city, which would give Pico a representative on the council and cause more attention to be paid to its needs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.160.148.64 (talk) 23:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Gentrification?[edit]

"The city of Santa Monica is consistently among the most educated cities in the United States, as measured by the number of residents with graduate degrees, although this status is declining as gentrification continues."

First of all, the statistics for # or % of graduate degrees is uncited, and second of all, I don't see any evidence why gentrification would lead to lower education values. Either way, it's a subjective statement, so I'm removing the comment about declining education. Someone can add it again if they really want it in the article, but I would hope that they present compelling statistics to support the claim. (even if accurate statistics can be obtained, there are many factors that could effect this)

76.87.74.5 (talk) 09:55, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Famous residents[edit]

A huge number of famous people were born or currently live in Santa Monica. Unless someone wants to create a complete list, I don't think it makes sense to insert individual celebrities at random. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BHealthy (talkcontribs) 18:53, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

A list exists at List of people from Santa Monica, California; which is already linked from the "see also" section of this article. Ideally, that article should be organized (born in Santa Monica, resided in Santa Monica, living/deceased, etc). Each person listed in it should also be able to meet Wikipedia's notability guideline documented at WP:BIO - and, ideally, have a reliable source which confirms their connection to the city. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 19:01, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


"Affluent"[edit]

While it's true that there are celebrities and executives in the city, there are also large areas which are home to less wealthy people, not to mention the significant homeless population. We could have a discussion in the article which includes the full range of incomes and neighborhoods, but I don't think that the first description of the city should be "affluent". That implies its population is uniformly wealthy.   Will Beback  talk  07:01, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Homelessness is a function of Santa Monica being part of large dense urban area. ALL areas in the Westside of Los Angeles have homeless including Beverly Hills and Brentwood. This does not change the overall character of these cities' permanent population as generally affluent. Elsewhere on Wikipedia, the term "affluent" is used to describe numerous cities and LA districts in the Westside. None of these cities is "uniformly" wealthy, but we are not telling a complete story of Santa Monica if we do not describe it as a generally affluent area with high levels of education and high median income. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmventura (talkcontribs) 23:50, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Please cite "Santa Monica is affluent" from a reliable source that is not synthesis. See also WP:PROVEIT. tedder (talk) 23:55, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
We already say, a few sentences later, that, "Santa Monica is home to executives and Hollywood celebrities and it is a mixture of very affluent, single-family neighborhoods, renters drawn by the high quality of life, lifelong surfers, young professionals and students." so the "affluent" part of the community is already covered. But Santa Monica is not a uniformly affluent area like some of its neighbors such as Brentwood or Bel Air.   Will Beback  talk  00:15, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Would you mind providing a citation that refutes the generally accepted fact the Santa Monica is an affluent area? Personally, I think the page should be maintained by someone whose experience with the city extends beyond the occasional day trip to escape the grit of Koreatown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.182.138 (talk) 02:25, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Personal comments are out of place. The burden of proof is on the editor wishing to add material. And edit warring can result in your editing privileges being suspended.   Will Beback  talk  03:27, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

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Name[edit]

"it was named in honor of the feast day of Saint Monica (mother of Saint Augustine), but her feast day is actually May 4" - What do you mean "but"? Are you suggesting that if her feast day is May 4, it is unlikely that the city was named after her? Why would it be unlikely? By the way, in the Catholic Church the feast day of St Monica is August 27, the day before the feast day of St Augustine (28 August).--Radírpók (talk) 07:53, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Riot Games[edit]

Riot Games is in West Los Angeles, not Santa Monica. 71.105.97.63 (talk) 18:22, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Correct and noted in article now. Fettlemap (talk) 18:39, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

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