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The Kalam-e Saranjam is the main religious book of the Ahl-e Haqq and used by hundreds of thousands of people since the 15th century. It is crucial there be an article about this very important book.--Persianhistory2008 12:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

It may be a book which is important to you but it must be notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. Also the line "The Ahl-e haqq believe the Kalam-e Saranjam to be the book of divine guidance and direction for mankind" is POV unless you insert a citation proving that "The Ahl-e haqq" do really believe this. Unless you believe the subject of the article can be expanded enough to warrant a page it should not have its own article. and-rewtalk 12:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, I added the page number.--Persianhistory2008 12:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


The Yaresan, by M. Reza Hamzeh'ee, 1990, ISBN:3-922968-83-X

Moved comment from article[edit]

The following comment was placed in the article itself. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 10:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

the 0ther name of this book is :AAeene pardeewar/ kamehe saranjam and kalame khazaneh.¶

the part of Aaeeneh pardeewar is six such as bargah bargah - gllem wakol - woordah saranjam and so on.¶

bahman bahramy - sals babajany- kermanshah—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 07:54, 14 November 2007


There was already a brief Serencam article, which I have redirected to this one. The text was, "Serencam (also Saranjam) is the main religious book of the Yarsani Kurds which is in the Gorani dialect of the Kurdish language." I have noted the "serencam" spelling in this article. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

There is no such a thing as "Serencam". I went through dozens of books about the Ahl-e Haqq. No such spelling, must have been a joke.--Persianhistory2008 (talk) 13:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, apparently the Kurdish language Wikipedia spells it that way (right or wrong), as the old "Serencam" article had the following interwiki link: ku:Serencam. However, the Kurdish article is very brief, just one sentence. I wouldn't know how to go about bringing up the issue in Kurdish. The Persian interwiki is fa:سرانجام, but I have no idea what that spelling would look like in English. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Someone must have made an error on the kurdish page. I also saw that page, but it has less than one sentence and it's not in the kurdish alphabet, so it would be very easy for them to screw it up.--Persianhistory2008 (talk) 11:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Is this discussion for real? It's not an error. The letter J in the kurdish latin alphabet of Hawar is spellt C. Its the same with the turkish alphabet. So Saranjam is spellt Serencam in this alphabet, just check the article kurdish alphabet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)