Talk:Sayama Incident

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POV-check[edit]

The whole article reads as though it is proved that Kazuo is not a murderer. In particular, "Arrest and trial" states that "Police exploited", "Police forced" as facts. --Akral (talk) 12:11, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey! You are right. I happened to have researched this article just recently and definitely something had to be done. This wikipage actually made the murderer seemed like he wasn't even the murderer (even though he did confessed he was). Yienshawn (talk) 07:43, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
I am tempted to make some edits in relation to the conviction evidence list and convert it into prose. It makes the article unbalanced. There are also conflicting ideas on some key issues surrounding this case. There are also further issues in relation to Japanese confessions in that they are the key means of convicting people in Japan. These confessions can be obtained with detention of sustpects lasting up to 23 days. allow prosecutors get the answers they want before the case goes before a judge. source http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21679472-suspects-japanese-police-cells-are-far-too-vulnerable-abuse-forced-confess --Cladors (talk) 03:18, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

My Neighbor Totoro[edit]

Is there some good reason that the major cause of present-day interest in the case (e.g., Google autocomplete follows up "Sayama incident" with "Totoro" and "My Neighbor Totoro") is completely unmentioned in the article? Were previous discussions removed by an editor and if so why? — LlywelynII 21:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I have been watching this page for quite a while and have never seen this added. However, now that we are talking about it, I should note that I find this connection speculative. Feel free to add it, if you have good sources. --Akral (talk) 09:27, 9 September 2012 (UTC)


It brings up Hiyoa MIuzaki's My neighbor Totoro because that moveie is sapposedly based off of it. Totoro is a god of death. People who see him are dead or will be dead. Nai actually died in the river but sasuki was in denial. She called totoro so she could see her sister wich killed her. They went to the hospital where their mother is.They leave the corn, (that is close to how you pronounce4 the japanese word for killed child) The mother is the only one who can 'sense' her children because she will soon be dead. In the last scene, neither of them have shadows.

Also before the older sister committed suicide in the incident, she mumbled aout cat ghost monster and giant racoon. a.k.a. totoro and the cat bus. A seemingly childs movie i actually not simple or child friendly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.172.229.53 (talk) 00:10, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

This has since been disavowed by Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli.Shade Of Wolf (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:44, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I would like to know the source that shows that Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli has disavowed this since the rest of the information on the internet seems to show otherwise. Of course, this could be just be a conspiracy theory but always good to see some actual source. If it is indeed true then maybe we could bring in some analysis to the article Discmon (talk) 00:46, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Link at the end replaced with a more unbiased source[edit]

I replaced one of the links at the end with a more unbiased source that explained the timeline of the case using various sources. The reason why is because the previous link is not only one sided, but also makes the false claim that he was held for 47 days instead of 28 days(some advocates claim that police can restart the 28 day interrogation process, but my research on the issues shows that the maximum amount of days one can be held for is 28 days).

http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/yosha/yr/minorities/Sayama_case_timeline.html

This is the link I used. It uses a variety of sources so I think it's more than worth referencing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graylandertagger (talkcontribs) 00:42, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Clarifying Case[edit]

The article seems to be in disagreement whether Ishikawa could write. The section stating the evidence against him clearly discusses his style of writing and mentions he sent a letter to the police chief. However the section documenting evidence in his favour makes a big point of the fact that given his background he was likely illiterate. Anyone able to sort out which is the case?LiamSP (talk) 19:12, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Ishikawa was a biker. And, of course, passing the written exam is necessary to get the license. So...--118.15.57.145 (talk) 05:20, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
could you provide a reference for supporting that he had taken the test? --Cladors (talk) 03:10, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Another point that should be made is whether the detailed evidence for his innocence should be presented in a Wikipedia article. It is not clear if this evidence is admissible in court. The organisation that has collected this evidence is dedicated to proving the innocence of the man convicted of the crime. The organisation's web page is in English so is targeting an external English speaking audience --Cladors (talk) 15:47, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Bad References & Partial Rewrite[edit]

There are two particularly bad references which have been used. They refer to 2 individuals and two separate trials which could not have taken place considering that only to trials ever took place on this case. These two references also seem to be supporting the discrimination argument that currently runs through this article. I am going to remove the references and the information in the article which they support considering sources for this information has been provided. I am doing this as a general rewrite of the article offline. Most of the information will be saved but bias in the article will be moderated to a certain extent. The article also lacks references to support the points made. This will not be totally corrected by me unfortunately Cladors (talk) 01:53, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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