Talk:Scarlett Johansson

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Good article Scarlett Johansson has been listed as one of the Media and drama good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2017[edit]

I suggest editing the 2013-present section, by adding the recepetion of Johansson's movies and her performances, based on box-office data and professional critics' reviews Edjo444 (talk) 17:30, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph (talk) 17:40, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Including criticism regarding Ghost in the Shell (2017 film)[edit]

As seen here and here, I have twice reverted Andru nl on removal of the whitewashing criticism Johansson received for Ghost in the Shell (2017 film). First, Andru nl claimed that the source is unreliable; I stated that The Guardian passes WP:Reliable sources. Then Andru nl claimed that the material is unrelated. It obviously is not. The whitewashing criticism is significant, which is why it's covered in-depth in the main article. I noted that we include reception to actors' films in their articles. We should also briefly note the general reception to the film (that reception was mixed) and any positives, but that doesn't mean that negatives should not be briefly mentioned as well.

Thoughts? I'll contact WP:Film about weighing in. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:12, 21 August 2017 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:14, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I think it is reasonable to document the controversial nature of her casting here. We include other stuff like awards, and the ultimate purpose of a page like this is to document her career. The Guardian is a reliable source albeit one that I have found is usually selective about the facts and highly biased. Personally I would not use it as sourcing in a race debate but in this particular case it does not seem to be unduly misrepresenting the controversy. Betty Logan (talk) 18:05, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
While it might be worth to mention it, I would keep it very brief per WP:WEIGHT. As an actor, I doubt she played much of role in the decision making process surrounding the controversy. The filmmakers are the ones who most likely are responsible.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:16, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
Okay, Betty Logan and TriiipleThreat, with this edit (followup edit here), I added that the film received mixed reviews and cut the petition part; I don't think that the petition part needs to be mentioned on this page. And probably not on the main page...if it's not notable enough. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:41, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
Looks fine to me.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 23:44, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for giving a fair discussion to the edit. I acknowledge the conclusion an will not edit the article anymore. Although it still needs to be corrected, as the movie is released. I still of an opinion that the whitewashing accusations belong more on the film article; awards are publically announced and reviewed by the established industry expert panel, the opinions and rumors are not. Studios are making movies to earn money; it's their choice who to cast for max profit; even their choices might be disliked by some, it is a business after all. Having whitewashing on this page implies that she was a supporter of it and complicit; i doubt she was, as an actor's job to portray the character as best as possible. We dont call an actor that played Hitler, a nazi? Although undoubtly there will be a group of people that will, and they might even start a "petition", since it only costs a couple of clicks on certain websites. Ps. I was referring to huffpost as unreliable source, not Guardian. But the essence of the edit removed both links. Andru nl (talk) 13:11, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Andru nl, thank you for explaining your views. I don't think that the text implies that Johansson was in the wrong in some way, but I can understand you viewing it that way. Arguments against the whitewashing accusation are made in the main article, and Johansson's response to the criticism is also there. We could include her response here, but, after the film was released, that also received criticism (as noted in the main article). So I'm not sure about going into detail on the matter here. And I know that, per above, TriiipleThreat would be against it. The HuffPost is sometimes acceptable as a source on Wikipedia, and the HuffPost source is still in the article, but it's being used for the petition aspect, which I removed. So we could also remove the HuffPost source. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:28, 22 August 2017 (UTC)