Talk:Scotland

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References[edit]

Population[edit]

Sorry I tried to update the population figure but I mucked it up. Here's the new figure and the reference. 5,295,000 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-20754750

Footnotes[edit]

2017 UK election[edit]

The infobox appears to be linking to the 2015 list of MPs elected, but I cannot see how to update this for this month's election. Is this a template issue? Jmorrison230582 (talk) 15:15, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Template issue, fixed with this edit. Woody (talk) 16:39, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Scotland "politics and governance" edits[edit]

I reverted these edits because I believe they do not adhere to WP:NPOV or WP:UNDUE. The "international diplomacy" section largely details what Nicola Sturgeon has been doing since becoming First Minister (visiting California, New York, Ireland and Germany). That might be relevant to her own article, but I don't think it is relevant in a more general article. It also potentially creates issues of neutrality and bias, because it talks up what an individual politician has been doing. Surely these sort of visits are just the routine activities of any government (state, national or otherwise) in lobbying for business and other interests? The first two paragraphs ("devolved government relations") are only sourced to the governments themselves. Is this notable, worth detailing in what is supposed to be a general article about Scotland as a whole? Jmorrison230582 (talk) 11:23, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Goodreg3: & @SFC9394: Jmorrison230582 (talk) 14:11, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

  • For me, the Scotland#International_diplomacy section is giving excessive emphasis with its five paragraphs about Ms Sturgeon's visits. It gives a recentist slant, with for example nothing about trips undertaken by Messrs McConnell and Salmond, and unbalances the overall article: compare for example one paragraph on a topic such as Scotland#Post-World_War_II. An overall article on Scotland does not benefit from text proclaiming that a particular meeting between post-holders was "very productive": has any post-meeting statement ever said otherwise? If anything, this material - suitably expanded with the international meetings of previous First Ministers - may be more suitable as a section under First Minister of Scotland. AllyD (talk) 14:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
    • Noted the points regarding a strong emphasis on works undertaken by Sturgeon. I am continuing to work on this section and have since included works of McConnell during his time in office. This has yet to be extended further. Regards Goodreg3 (talk) 20:14, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but the volume of sentences detailing various visits by Sturgeon is excessive (given undue weight). The international diplomacy section needs cut severely and the government relations section needs outside sourcing. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:28, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm working on cutting the amount of sentences relating to Sturgeon visits.Goodreg3 (talk) 20:42, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree that the level of detail is vastly in excess of what is warranted. This is the article on Scotland, not Scottish diplomacy in the last 20 years. All that's needed on diplomacy is something like the first sentence: "Whilst foreign policy remains a reserved matter, the Scottish Government still has the power and ability to strengthen and develop Scotland, the economy and Scottish interests on the world stage and encourage foreign businesses, international devolved, regional and central governments to invest in Scotland". Devolved government relations could also be cut back to a sentence or two. There are several centuries and lots of topics to cover in this article! Rather than extending these sections, they need to be cut. EddieHugh (talk) 19:42, 14 July 2017 (UTC)