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References[edit]

Population[edit]

Sorry I tried to update the population figure but I mucked it up. Here's the new figure and the reference. 5,295,000 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-20754750

Footnotes[edit]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2015[edit]

The National animal of Scotland is not a Unicorn,it is actually a deer.I know this because I know a friend in Scotland that knows that the National animal is a deer. Lengendkebab (talk) 23:53, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 00:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Website[edit]

In the interest of supporting the new .scot TLD and consistency, I want to raise the possibility of changing the website from "scotland.org" to "welcome.scot" in the InfoBox. Both sites are identical and both domains are registered to the Scottish Government, similar sites such as scotland.gov.uk have already redirected to gov.scot, so I figured someone forgot to setup a redirect from scotland.org to welcome.scot. Any thoughts? Aaron McHale (talk) 12:07, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

There's no reason why Wikipedia should be concerned with "supporting the new .scot TLD". http://www.scotland.org/contact-us/ still refers to "scotland.org". The email is still stated as "info@scotland.org". Unless that changes, "scotland.org" should remain. FYI, domains aren't websites; both domains direct to the hostname/s of the website. Rob984 (talk) 14:55, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia shouldn't but as the page about and representing Scotland and Scottish Culture on Wikipedia we should be, but I do see you're point about references to "Scotland.org", so until that changes then yes I agree. FYI, I do know how websites and domains work, I happen to run a company that provides these services. Aaron McHale (talk) 09:29, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Head of State[edit]

Instead of edit warring, it would be better if the competing views are discussed here. DeCausa (talk) 21:52, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

The statement that is being footnoted says that Scotland's mode of governance is a "devolved government within a constitutional monarchy". I think it would make sense to briefly state in its footnote what relationship the monarch bears to Scotland and who it currently is. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 21:57, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Seems reasonable. I suspect the difficulty is with the phrase "Scotland's head of state is..." which is a little misleading. DeCausa (talk) 22:01, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
It already states who the monarch of the United Kingdom is adjacent to the "Monarch" field. Scotland is not a state so obviously cannot have a head of state.
The monarch of the United Kingdom and Scotland do not have a notable relationship and the monarch plays no role in local government in Scotland. This is because the UK is a unitary state, meaning sovereign powers have only been delegated to the UK Parliament which therefore possesses legislative supremacy.
Also, keep in mind the MOS regarding the purpose of an infobox: "to summarize key facts that appear in the article" and "The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose".
Rob984 (talk) 15:41, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
"The monarch of the UK and Scotland do not have a notable relationship". I'm sorry, but that statement shows that you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 16:49, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Er, Rob984, under section 45 of the Scotland Act the First Minister of Scotland is one of the handful of direct appointments by the monarch of a significant political office in the UK. Anyway, I don't see how anyone could object to this edit. Hopefully, that's an end to this. DeCausa (talk) 23:55, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Latin Translation[edit]

I have changed the translations in the Etymology section as Scotia dose not translate to (land of the gaels). I suggest the editors go onto something as easy as Google translator, or read a book on Scottish/Roman history. Also the symbol of Scotland is in fact The Lion, our animal of choice is the unicorn, we defend this and the unattainable beast. We base this in our history on the fact the Roman empire could not conquered Scotland including England.

I find it highly offensive that members on Wikipedia who are not Scottish are editing Scottish history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelo542 (talkcontribs)

Then you will have to live with the 'offence' there are no restrictions on who can edit. I put a full guide on how to edit wikipedia on your talk page which I suggest you read. In the mean time I have reverting those changes back to referenced material. ----Snowded TALK 11:24, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

I notice you have changed The Etymology again. (Scoti is the Latin name for the Gaels)???

This is incorrect information. Scoti translates to (Scots). The Roman's named different Gaelic tribes across Europe by different names, they did not name (the gaels) as a whole the Scoti!. Scoti was a name given to the Gaelic tribe that resided in lands the Romans named Scotia or (Hibernia).

Hibernia is Latin for Ireland and translates to Ireland.

Incorrect information will be removed from Wikipedia, so says Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelo542 (talkcontribs)

If it is that "easy", presumably you will be able to provide a reference. Please note that another Wikipedia article does not count (WP:CIRCULAR). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 13:57, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

OK so, The Romans spoke Latin, in Latin (Scoti) translates to (Scots), (Scotia) translates to (Scotland). Where exactly dose Wikipedia find translations where Scoti translates to (The Gaels) n The land of the gaels?. Gael in Latin is the same in English.

In Italian history you find Romans named the Gaelic tribes across Europe with different names. They claim to have names Scotia after an Egyptian Princess that was a celebrity amongst the Romans, this you can find in any library across Britannia.

Now modern Irish simply do not like the fact they are descendants of Scots, not (The Scottish). There is many books written by Irish People who have claimed Scots came from Irish when in fact it was the other way around. However facts are facts and false or misleading information should not be tolerated on Wikipedia.

This is incorrect >

"Scotland" comes from Scoti, the Latin name for the Gaels. The Late Latin word Scotia ("land of the Gaels") was initially used to refer to Ireland.[29] By the 11th century at the latest, Scotia was being used to refer to (Gaelic-speaking) Scotland north of the river Forth, alongside Albania or Albany, both derived from the Gaelic Alba.[30] The use of the words Scots and Scotland to encompass all of what is now Scotland became common in the Late Middle Ages.[18]

Here is the correct version >

"Scotland" comes from Scoti, the Latin name given by the Romans to name Gaelic tribe living in the land they named SCOTIA.. Land of the Scots. The Late Latin word Scotia ("land of the Scots") was initially used to refer to middle age Ireland, also known in latin as (Hibernia).[29] By the 11th century at the latest, Scotia was being used to refer to (Gaelic-speaking) Scotland north of the river Forth, alongside Albania or Albany, both derived from the Gaelic Alba.[30] The use of the words Scots and Scotland to encompass all of what is now Scotland became common in the Late Middle Ages.[18]


Scotia, land of the Scots was renamed Hibernia land of the Irish.

What I do not understand is why the admin wants to allow false and misleading information, AND WHY DOSE THE ADMIN CONTINUE TO REVERT CHANGES TO FALSE INFORMATION?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelo542 (talkcontribs)

The people who inhabited what is now Ireland in the early Medieval period were Gaels. Gaels lived in what is now Ireland, Picts in northern Scotland, Britons in southern Scotland, Northern and Western England and Wales, and various Celtic groups including Britons in the south east. The Gaels, so the conventional history goes, spread into Argyll around the 5th century, founding the kingdom of Dál Riata. Prior to this, "Ireland" was the land of the Gaels. This is not controversial.
As far as what Ireland was called in that period... it's a little more complicated than you suggest:
Author Year Name
Rufus Festus Avienus 370 Sacram Insulam Gens. Hibernorum Colit
Claudius Claudianus 400 Ierne / Iernen
Stephanus Byzantinus 490 Ierun
Orosius 5th C Hibernia
St Patrick 5th C Hiberione/Hiberionem/Hiberia
Priscianus Periegeta 6th C Iberus
Pope Gregory I 6th C Hiberniam
Cogitosus 6th C Scotia
Isidorus Hispalensis 600 Scotia / Hibernia
Anon 7th C Hibernia Insula Scotorum
Bede 7th C Hibernia / Scotia
Jonas 7th C Hibernia / Scotia
Adamnan 7th C Scotiam
Laurentius 7th C Scotiam
Coelfrid 8th C Scotiam
Nennius 9th C Hyberniam / Hibernia / Iberniam
Raban Maur 9th C Scotia / Hibernia
Alfred the Great 9th C Scotland
Egilward 9th C Scotia / Hibernia
The Scoti was what these authors called people who lived in Scotia, which was Ireland. They were Gaels. It did not refer to a particular kingdom or tribe (there were several). It referred to all Gaels.
Hope that helps. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 16:18, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

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