Talk:Scouts-in-Exteris

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Attention tag[edit]

needs sections.Rlevse 11:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

done. Rlevse 12:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Overseas?[edit]

The article says, "Scouts-in-Exile, also referred to as Scouts-in-Exteris, are Scouting and Guiding groups formed overseas from their native country." Should this sentence say "overseas from" or "outside of"? --Jagz 07:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Name[edit]

Is "Scouts-in-Exile" a formal name or a description? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Both-the commonly used term for the Russian and Armenian Scouts as far back as the 1920s, and formally as part of the name of a (at least one time) supranational org, much like a WOSM for exiles, which I am trying to find at the moment. Chris 21:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks- it is not exactly clear on this. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 21:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Close paraphrasing[edit]

Some parts of this article are very close paraphrasing of

for example:

source: "After World War I, Scouting was banned by the Soviets in: Russia, Armenia, Ukrainia, and Byelorussia. Just prior to World War II, both Mussolini and Hitler disbanded Scouting. Fortunately, in the cases of both Italy and Germany, Scouting has been revived and is doing quite well."

article: "After World War I, Scouting was banned by the Soviets in Russia, Armenia, Ukraine, and Belarus. Just prior to World War II, both Mussolini and Hitler disbanded Scouting. In most of these instances, Scouting was revived in the individual community in diaspora."

or:

source: "A number of the exile Scout groups have their own National and World organizations. They hold regional and World Jamborees, issue training materials, and furnish leadership. Other groups have been absorbed into local communities or lost their unique Scoutling completely."

article: "A number of exile Scout groups have their own national and multinational organizations, hold regional and world jamborees, issue training materials, and furnish leadership. Other groups were eventually absorbed into local communities or lost their unique Scouting completely, as seems to have been the case with Belarus."

70% of the article seems to come from this source, so a major rewrite is need —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoenit (talkcontribs)

reply to VernoWhitney[edit]

VernoWhitney, thank you for at least giving me the benefit of the doubt. I wrote the original article 4 1/2 years ago and 6000 miles away, when I was new to Wikipedia and going through stuff in my life... anyway, I am happy to rewrite the article, so that it is both my own wording and encyclopedic in tone. However, may I wait until this weekend? Work in Japan is strict and I do not have the time to devote to it right now. I am leaving the copyvio tags you placed, (however I would prefer you removed them in good faith, you can take out the offending text too, I copied it). I have undone the watering down of intentional wording by Yoenit, and I stand by it. It is not POV to point to the specific reasons those communities went into exile. You can't talk about the Cold War without going into Communism's treatment of their peoples, any more than you can have an article about terrorism without talking about the root causes that drives people to act thus. Nothing happens in a vacuum, and I won't have articles sanitized for modern sensibilities when the issues are swept under the rug.
Please do consider removing both the tags and the offending text, I would prefer to begin working on a new version of the article at this temporary page when I can give it full attention, and not have a big black box sitting in the middle of it. I'm a positive contributor, please assume good faith, just remove the copyvio text and I will rewrite it this weekend. It is Thursday morning 2 am, and I can't get to it for a few days yet, my workweek is different than others. Thanks again for the good faith. --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 17:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Replied at your talk page. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:26, 9 June 2010 (UTC)