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Survival of Scythian/Sarmatian langauge into the 1890s in Crimea[edit]

In the 1880s and 90s, when German philologists were combing through Crimea and the Ukraine, looking for various Germanic people--Goths or otherwise--that may have survived the ages, came across a few settlements in Crimea where the folks were using mysterious language(s) that at a closer examination, proved to be the modern-time survivors of the ancient Scytho-Sarmatian. Their records show that the language(s) were close to those of modern Ossetians (the only related people to Scythians/Sarmatians to survive into the present day). There were much Slavic and Turkic importation, but clearly these/this surviving language(s) was Scytho-Sarmatian Aryan/Iranic. in grammar and structure. Seemingly, that is that last time anyone encountered Scytho-Sarmatians in their ancient Crimean habitat...

An exhaustive, scientific article about this appeared about 20 years ago in the US. Would anyone has more information on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:c6a5:1700:21f:5bff:fee9:91aa (talkcontribs) 23:42, 26 July 2015‎

Add Armenian, Greek, and New Persian transliterations[edit]

(Old Persian: Sakā; New Persian: ساکا Saka; Greek: Σάκαι Sakai; Armenian: սկյութները Skyout'nerə; Latin: Sacae, Sanskrit: शक Śaka), and Sai (Chinese: 塞; Old Chinese: *sˤək), respectively.[8]

Scythians, Ephraimites and Germans[edit]

Sorry, but this is really off-topic here:

"There are some theories, with records behind them, that the Ephraimites became the Scythians, who in turn became the Germanics.[1][2]"


  1. ^ "Cleon Skousen and the 10 Lost Tribes of Israel - LDS Freedom Forum". Retrieved 2016-12-23. 
  2. ^ "Full text of "The Heimskringla: Sagas of the Norse Kings"". Retrieved 2016-12-23. 

If there is any relevance in such folklore (theories is the wrong word here), then it belongs at the page of the persons or organisations who make such claims, such as W. Cleon Skousen. ldsfreedomforum is not WP:RS, nor can a primary source like The Heimskringla be used in this way when making such claims. Skousen himself also is far from WP:RS. And, to add further, to claim that the Scythians descended from a Semitic tribe, and that the Germans in turn descended from the Scythians, is not even fringe, it's plain fantasy. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:22, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Ah, The Lost Tribes and the Mormons; well, that's already in the article. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:34, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
I've added a further information link to Generations of Noah - this was cutting-edge science in the 8th century. Johnbod (talk) 15:49, 23 December 2016 (UTC)


Are tehre "two broad hypotheses"? Or is there one broad hypothesis, and one deviant minority option? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Ahh, @Joshua Jonathan:, this topic has reminded me a notorious sockmaster WP:Tirgil34...Anyway, regarding the origins of Scythians, the general consensus is that they were semi-nomadic Iranics and were Europids. However, since they also migrated to eastern parts of Asia, they, not surprisingly, mixed with the locals and assimilated some of them. Thus, Euro-Mongoloid types and East Asian haplotypes could be found at the eastern parts of Scythia. (talk) 09:53, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Note 4 better citation[edit]

Two things could be better regarding note 4, most importantly, in the most recent edition, it is not page 97, but 117. Secondly, the author should be better recognized by formulating the citation as follows: A.I. Melyukova, 'The Scythians and Sarmatians', in: D. Sinor (ed.), The Cambridge History of Early Inner Asia (Cambridge 1994) 117. 2001:1C02:1907:9500:E01E:3850:F0B0:28DD (talk) 11:38, 3 February 2017 (UTC)