Talk:Sean Combs

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Good article Sean Combs has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
July 29, 2012 Good article nominee Listed

not mentioning “The Family”[edit]

While Puff Daddy & the Family is a redirect here and No Way Out seems to have been released crediting Puff Daddy & The Family, the article on Sean Combs does not mention “the family” at all. -- Gohnarch 16:17, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Not seeing much coverage of this online, and I don't remember even seeing it mentioned when prepping the article for GA back in 2012. It appears "The Family" were/are various artists signed to the Bad Boy label that appeared on the album No Way Out. — Diannaa (talk) 20:29, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

section 3.4 Legal troubles is severely lacking[edit]

If someone has the time to add to this section, chk out: http://crime.about.com/od/famousdiduno/ig/mugshots_rap_hip_rb/rap_puffymugshot.htm & http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/23/diddy-s-crazy-rap-sheet-from-attacking-a-record-exec-to-his-alleged-kettlebell-assault.html Yaakovaryeh (talk) 02:32, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Recent edits[edit]

User talk:Mangodebango is a paid editor who has been doing some edits to the page. Some of these edits are acceptable, and some are not. I have made changes to the new material as we go along. A brief summary of my rationale was provided in the edit summary for these edits, but Mangodebango has asked for further information via email. I am responding here in case other interested editors wish to comment or participate. (I had to do revision deletion as some of the content added by Mangodebango was found to be also present at the copyright web page http://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/profiles/sean-combs/. This is why the edits themselves are no longer visible in the page history.) Mangodebango indicates that the same material is also present at www.combsenterprises.com and is an official biography prepared by Combs' PR team. This does not change the copyright status of the material or make it okay for it to be copied to this wiki. Also, in many cases, material prepared by a public relations team will be written more like a press release and will not be the kind of neutrally worded prose we want for our website. You wouldn't find it in a paper encyclopedia, and we don't want it here either. So, the bulk of the material that was removed was removed for this reason. Here's some details on the rationale for other changes.

  • He had a lemonade stand: This is a less important detail; it's something virtually every child would do. What kind of restaurant it was and what position he held are less important details which I removed before I discovered it was also a copyright violation from the PBS article.
  • I removed a list of sub-companies of Combs Enterprises from the lead, because the article is not about Combs Enterprises; it's a biography of Sean Combs. The same material is also present in exactly the same wording in this copyright press release, but regardless of the copyright issue, it's too much detail for the lead and had actually removed it on that basis before I discovered it was copyvio.
  • Material on his acting career was initially moved down to the filmography section and was later removed when I discovered it was a copyright violation.
  • Information that Combs was attending Harvard while simultaneously working at Uptown Records was removed, as that info does not appear in the sources provided. I removed it for that reason before I discovered the prose to be identical to that found in the copyright PBS article.
  • Mangodebango's addition On May 20th and 21st, 2016, Combs brought back together Bad Boy Records' biggest names for the first time ever to celebrate their 20th anniversary on the eve of Notorious B.I.G.’s birthday was changed to read On May 20 and 21, 2016, Combs launched a tour of Bad Boy Records' biggest names to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the label. This change was made to improve the grammar and to make it read more like an encyclopedia article and less like a press release. The fact that BIG's birthday was the next day is of interest only to marketing people, so I removed that. After two sold-out shows at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, Puff Daddy and the Family launched a successful tour that sold-out twenty shows across the United States and Canada during the summer of 2016 was changed to read The two shows at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn sold out, as did an additional twenty shows across the United States and Canada to make a more encyclopedic and neutrally worded version.
  • I removed an unsourced addition about Comb's work on sound tracks for films. All additions must have sources please. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 17:55, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Legal Troubles[edit]

Combs' arrest was removed for being unsourced but should be restored with a source added. Numerous media outlets reported his 2015 arrest.

He also has a civil suit recently filed against him by an employee. I don't know the BLP policies on that -- does it need to survive a motion to dismiss before being added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.142.187 (talk) 14:41, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

We don't include arrests that don't result in convictions. Likewise the civil suit will not be included unless it results in a major settlement. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:21, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
That seemed odd to me so I checked the policy on BLP; I think you may have misread it. Combs isn't a "relatively unknown" subject, so properly-sourced information on arrests and accusations is appropriate. Obviously they shouldn't imply that he committed the acts accused (except his guilty plea for a harassment 'violation'). 66.87.143.165 (talk) 16:21, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Legal Troubles, rfc[edit]

Should this BLP article include widely-publicized arrests that did not result in convictions (or, in one case, a minor offense conviction)?

My understanding is that BLP only forbids this for "relatively unknown" subjects. This page's administrator seems to disagree. 66.87.143.172 (talk) 18:02, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, including WP:NPOV and WP:BLP, require that our biographies try to balance the relative importance they give to different aspects of their subjects' lives (both positive and negative) in line with what is emphasized by reliable sources (such as biographies published by academic presses and other established publishing houses). Whether Combs' arrests were "widely publicized" is beside the point (having lived in New York and been subjected to its tabloid press, I am aware of how widely publicized they were). The question is whether other biographies written by historians and other quality writers, not gossipy biographies that one might find at the supermarket check-out line or in the airport, give prominence to his arrests. I can't say for sure, having done no research on the subject, but I suspect the answer is that they do not. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
It seems that they do.

Biography.com profile at https://www.biography.com/people/sean-puffy-combs-9542180 LA Times retrospective at http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-sean-p-diddy-combs-bad-boy-entertainment-retrospective-20151005-story.html 99.203.1.171 (talk) 13:37, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

  • Maybe Summoned by bot. It depends on the extent and depth of the coverage and how significant they are from the standpoint of his overall life. Coretheapple (talk) 16:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Probably, although it of course depends on exactly what material you're proposing to add. The subject's long and complicated relationship with the police/law is exhaustively documented in RS, and indeed forms part of his cultivated persona at a high level, or else once did, which is itself something that is exhaustively documented in RS. There is no BLP case here for default exclusion of arrests that did not culminate in convictions, although that should not be taken to mean that every single interaction with law enforcement the man has ever had is automatically noteworthy. Advocata (talk) 21:42, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Depends on the sources — I think this RfC would be more helpful if it asked about inclusion of a specific proposal with sources, otherwise I think "It depends" is the only answer to this general question Seraphim System (talk) 06:31, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
  • The bot has removed the RfC IDtag, can this be closed now? L3X1 (distænt write) )evidence( 11:58, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Depends (Summoned by bot) I have been watching this for some time, and agree with Seraphim System. d.g. L3X1 (distænt write) )evidence( 02:02, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Don't include. Checking the Biography.com and LA Times webpages the IP mentions above, the 2015 arrest is not mentioned in either article. I don't think we need to include it, as it did not result in a conviction. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 17:40, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Depends, in concurrence with previous commenters with the same opinion. Alt. Eno 16:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Don't include. While he is famous enough for inclusion to be arguable. The arrest itself is not related to what he is otherwise known for. I don't think we need to include it, as it did not result in a conviction. Elmmapleoakpine (talk)

Reference at Box Office line for Spider-man: Homecoming[edit]

Cite-error. How to resolve? ThanksSassyCollins (talk) 16:11, 6 July 2017 (UTC)