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Seburo Merge Proposal
Kunzite has suggested that the Seburo article be merged with the Ghost in the Shell article. I am against this merge as the fictional company is used in just about all of Shirow's works, not just GITS. --YoungFreud 06:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I am against merging this article GIS, agreeing with user YoungFreud.
- Thanks for the notice, but you may want to voice your disagreement about the merge also at Talk:Ghost in the Shell as well. --YoungFreud 20:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Seburo should NOT be merged with Ghost in the Shell because it is used throughout the Shirow universe -- not just in GitS. For example. many of the weapons are actually from Appleseed. In addition, many were used for one-off covers and art pieces that never found their way into a 'story' as such. Finally, communities like Second Life and game mods have adopted the C-X (which is often synonymous with 'Seburo') totally divorced of Shirow's universes, let alone GitS. --Mdwyer 18:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
.....TALK ABOUT WHY YOU POSTED THEM UP IN THE FIRST PLACE!! If you can spend 10 seconds to copy/paste it, you can spend one minute to talk about it.
As for the significance of the article, it's clearly explained in the opening paragraph. The tag is hereby deleted due to lack of evidence. --293.xx.xxx.xx 08:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- hereby deleted? Who are you again? Unless you want to be banned I would suggest you leave the tag alone until the issues are dealt with. -- Ned Scott 08:12, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- The tag I placed (Expansion rather than Importance) is more than appropiate for the situation at hand. Plus please note the To-do list above, which you can contribute to if you so desire. Besides, due to the lack of a contributor not posting his intentions on why the article was tagged as such, it had to be done.
- As for the expansion tag; The article suffers from a lack of information rather than a reason as to why it should exist. Seburo is an integral aprt of Shirows works, and the other tag was highly innappropiate because of this. There are several works of Shirows that have been translated into English, and if someone takes the time to read them all, they can add to the article. --293.xx.xxx.xx 08:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- I donno, seems like trivia info to me. -- Ned Scott 08:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Origin of C-X
I've been all through my copies of Appleseed books 1-4 and I can't see a C-X anywhere. Isn't this from one of the Intron Depot books (I only have the first and can't see it there but it could appear in one of the later ones), not Appleseed? Yes, much of Intron Depot is from or was to be used for Appleseed, but if it's not actually in the published work, is it still Appleseed?
Also, I'd question the supposed operating principle, based on the dimentions of the magazine; from the photo it seems to be shaped for a double stack of small rifle rounds, facing forwards. This must be intentional, as the PPK that model uses as a base houses its own actual magazine in the grip, making the apparent magazine a dummy and thus without restrictions on form. Perhaps a more explicit reference to where precisely it comes from and the source of this information might solve this. YourMessageHere 03:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'll try to look when I get home, but at the very least, one is used by Athena at the end of the remade Appleseed movie. One is carried by the Starship Police figurine,
and I think the CX was described in the tech notes of Ghost in the Shell.
- Well, I skimmed the manga last night and it doesn't look like the CX is in GitS. I'm still researching. If nothing else, I'll have exact page numbers for references after this. :) --Mdwyer 14:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- As for functionality, the Starship Police model shows a clear magazine on the CX, and the rounds are side ways, similar to the FN P90. But as you noticed, the PPK's magazine is indeed in the grip. The model's 'magazine' is solid resin, and is not functional. Indeed, the entire rear of the model is non functional. I'll try to get it documented for certain tonight. --Mdwyer 16:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
It appears on one of the Appleseed covers shown in Intron Depot. Shirow also says that "Deunan's gun has one of those 90-degree rotating head helical magazines -- they're all the rage." on the same page. Do not have the book available, so I cannot check, however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Citations to Add
- pg63 - "Seburo C25: Think of it as an FN P90 with a lower magazine!:
- pg150 - "The Seburo C-25a and 26a both hold 50 rounds of 6x25 HV shells." "Brass catcher on top. Magazine same as the FN-P90." "So, when you don't have the brass catcher attached, the shells are ejected forward? Seems to me it'd tend to jam..." "Hey, you got any idea how many months we spent testing that thing?!"
- pg364 - "Pg. 221 "In this story, after FN manufactured advanced P90 weaponry, these shells were developerf for handguns and submachine guns. HV bullets are small caliber, providing low recoil and high penetration power, but they don't have very good stopping power against humans because they go right through them. Since these bullets are very effective against bulletproof vests, light armor, cyborgs, etc., in GitS they're fairly common but generally not available to civilians. The Seburo firearms our heroes cary use HV shells. Armoured weaponry, like the think-tank that appears here, is nevessary to go up against HV shells."
- "Appleseed" - "Their weapons include a Seburo anti-cyborg gun, handguns, and a submachine gun. Deunan's gun has one of those 90-degree rotating head helical magazines -- they're all the rage." The image shows a CX-like gun, but with a curved muzzle cover.
- "Appleseed" - "When you compare the two Seburo's, Deunans's may look like a toy. But from that barrel, 30 cm long at least, you can guess that it's nothing to laught at. Briareos' must be an LM or cyborg-killer. Given the short barrel, it's obviously designed for close combat, but it looks beig enought to fire 20 mm rounds at least." Deunan has a CX with what looks like a suppressor on it. A barrel extension?
- "Monochrome: No second!" - A picture of the GONG, with JPN text. "Seburo" does not appear (in romanji at least).
- There's a LOT of seburo in there! Need to index.
- Suprisingly, there's no Seburo in here. Mentioned for completeness.
Galgrease 003: Galhound - No ISBN!
- "Gun&Action Booklet Poster Collection III 2002 Uppers No. 19" - Shows a number of Seburo guns: "Fire Splash", "MW-0206". This is the picture shown in the article. This poster also shows a firefight taking place at Poseidon Industrial.
- Need to index
- Need to index
Adding Seburo weapons in SSS
I'll go and check on Seburo weapons found in SSS in its debut. Just got my SSS Japanese Visual Book in the mail today. Ominae 00:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I have removed this text:
Seburo MN-23s appear in the Battlestar Galactica Mini Series and 1st several episodes of the TV series carried by the shipboard marines.
I'd have to take a closer look, but I'm pretty sure they were using some other bullpup rifle, possible the FAMAS or P90. Can anyone else provide a cite for this? --Mdwyer 20:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)