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Genesis or Mega Drive[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Read the FAQ at the top of this talk page. -- ferret (talk) 16:24, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Would it not be more appropriate for this article to be named "Sega Mega Drive"? It seems inappropriate to prioritise a regional title over the consoles international name. Taurmin (talk) 13:39, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Please read the FAQ plastered all over this talk page and even as a notice when you edit this page. It answers this question. Sergecross73 msg me 13:45, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
Just thought I’d throw this out here. When you’re looking or editing through mobile using a web browser app, the FAQ and the notice when you begin editing don’t show up on the page. Is there any known way this could be addressed, or is it maybe a suggestion for the village pump about edit notices in mobile? Red Phoenix let's talk... 20:44, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
@Red Phoenix: This is just one of many issues with the mobile site. For example, a protected article always tells the reader says that it's due to Vandalism, regardless of the admin's protecting reason or the reason set in the pp templates. -- ferret (talk) 20:47, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
I believe it; I don’t normally use mobile but I am today. Surely though someone might know a solution? Is there a way we can post a notice that will show somewhere on the mobile talk page so editors less familiar with the situation will know? At this point, I’m just fishing for ideas based on the situation I see, especially since the title issue keeps coming up though it’s a WP:DEADHORSE. I’d hope not everyone who posts here about it is just ignoring the warnings and all using computers that give them ample heads up about it. Red Phoenix let's talk... 20:53, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
Navboxes also don't appear on mobile. I don't believe there's any easy solution, and it's probably been discussed at the pump before. -- ferret (talk) 02:14, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
@Ferret: I'm not sure. That the article was protected by an admin back in 2013, and so please don't rename the article from this site.
  1. Genesis was called Mega Drive in Europe. Sega just renamed the console in USA because it was the 16-bit home video game console.
  2. Please do not attempt to rename the article.
  3. See WP:VG -- (talk) 12:52, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Um, I'm not trying to rename the article, I didn't start this section. I support the current name. -- ferret (talk) 13:11, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Idk. -- (talk) 13:15, 16 December 2017 (UTC), what point - if any - are you trying to make here? Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:27, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Um, I'm not going to make here. -- (talk) 19:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
That seems quite apparent. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:04, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Seems like it ought to be renamed. It was only named Genesis in a certain, minor market. The name of the system is not Genesis, it is Mega Drive. This would be like not having football refer to football on Wikipedia because Americans are using the name for something else. Simply bizarre.--2001:984:5CB7:1:A4F9:BA88:D510:FEC0 (talk) 16:19, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

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European launch[edit]

The European launch paragraph in the "Launch" section needs to be rewritten with newer sources. Through verification, a lot in that section isn't mentioned in this source from IGN. I decided to list the following I pointed out:

  • "The European version was released on November 30, 1990." The European release date given in the article is 30 November 1990, both in the infobox and the "Launch" section. That date isn't cited in the article at all, and the IGN source never mentioned it. One English-language source I found is the September 1990 issue of Computer & Video Games, which says September on it (not sure if this is the European date, as that date applied to the UK).
  • "Building on the success of the Master System, the Mega Drive became the most popular console in Europe." IGN doesn't mention that the Mega Drive was the most popular in Europe. There might be sources for this one.
  • "Since the Mega Drive was two years old at the time of its release in the region, more games were available at launch compared to the launches in other regions. Ports of arcade titles like Altered Beast, Golden Axe and Ghouls 'n Ghosts, available in stores at launch, provided a strong image of the console's power to deliver an arcade-like experience." Again, IGN doesn't mention any of this. The CVG reference I found might help, as it mentioned that the Mega Drive has 22 games at launch. Space Harrier II, Super Thunder Blade, Ghouls 'n' Ghosts and The Revenge of Shinobi are mentioned in the CVG source. So was Altered Beast, which was a pack-in game at launch. I'm not sure about the "arcade-like experience" part, IGN never said this either.

It would be helpful if anyone can find other sources on the European launch or has any thoughts on this. – Hounder4 02:03, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

The October 1990 issue of ACE also mentioned the release date of September 1990 with 20 games. – Hounder4 00:57, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Edge from February 1994 says it was September 1990, Which ties in with Sega Power saying it was at the Computer Entertainment Show in Earls Court, which ties into the show being held from the 13-16 of September that year. - X201 (talk) 14:10, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
More weight for the ECES from C+VG - X201 (talk) 14:27, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
I'd go ahead and change it then. Three sources vs none, this really shouldn't even be up for debate anymore. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 18:59, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
I don't think anyone was debating it. I'm surprised the change has not been made already. Indrian (talk) 00:45, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
I've done those changes today. – Hounder4 16:21, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

"Redacted content that does not meet FA criteria"?[edit]

I'm curious about this too. What's going on in this edit? Sergecross73 msg me 12:38, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

  • Well, for starters most of it is original research. The statement that Sega ported a lot of arcade games early on is entirely unsourced. Castle of Illusion is singled out because of a tweet by Sega marketing director Al Nilsen and is therefore original research based on a primary source. The next sentence singling out several more games is sourced to a Gamasutra article that actually has nothing at all to say on the topic, and the material relating to Alex Kidd as a Sega mascot is completely erroneous and based on long-standing myth that has been debunked through greater access to Japanese sources. It was completely appropriate to remove all of that from an FA. Indrian (talk) 16:55, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
  • That's fine, I wasn't necessarily defending the content, just felt that edit summary didn't do the change justice. (It felt like the equivalent of when people's entire AFD rationale is "Delete - not notable." - not necessarily wrong, but not particularly articulate either.) Sergecross73 msg me 17:22, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
  • No worries. I agree that the original summary was a little unhelpful. I had to dig through the deleted content to discover the issues I highlighted. Indrian (talk) 17:25, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
(EC) Thanks for explaining that, Indrian. If anyone would like to partially restore this content with better sources, or otherwise expand the "Game library" section, that would be fine; however, the reality is that this flawed material has not been fixed during the nearly two years since it was added in January 2016. While it might seem unfair to good-faith contributors, FAs are supposed to be barred in practice from new editing unless it meets Wikipedia's very high WP:FA standards.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:20, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Are they? FA standards raise over time, but the quality of older FAs can remain the same or even drop. Not that this changes anything here, but FA status should be a reward for being a well-written article, not the end goal which we lock away once it becomes one. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:30, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps I slightly overstated things above: All I mean is that edits to FAs should be, and usually are in practice, held to a higher standard than (say) edits to stubs. That's quite distinct from arguing that FAs don't need to be maintained or updated to reflect new scholarship. This principle holds especially true if an editor seeks to change or remove long-standing text that is presumed to have consensus by virtue of surviving an FAC, but also applies to wholly new additions. Even if it were not enshrined in policy, this tendency to scrutinize FAs is really just what one would expect from common sense alone.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:46, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
I understand taking trimming the Game Library section to make it more appealing to FA standards, but why get rid of Boon's tweet saying that MK1 played better on Genesis? It was a factor to why to the Genesis version was popular, not just the censorship.2605:E000:6300:8300:C8B1:59B8:DAAD:24BE (talk) 09:06, 11 December 2017 (UTC)