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Pack-in[edit]

Although the initial $100 price difference between the PlayStation and the Saturn may have had an important psychological impact on the console war that ensued—in particular, Race's "$299" speech put a damper on Sega's disastrously botched surprise launch—its actual effect on consumers is more questionable, considering the Saturn's price was already lowered to $299 within weeks of the PlayStation's North American launch. Moreover, the price difference was a lot less than $100 if one adjusts for factors like pack-in games (the Saturn included Virtua Fighter) and memory cards (a requirement for PlayStation owners, but rendered moot by the Saturn's internal back-up memory—something a cost-cutting Sega would not repeat with the Dreamcast). If a memory card cost $25 and a game cost $50, then the actual price difference between the PlayStation and the Saturn even during that four-month window predating the PlayStation's release would be more like $374 to $399. Or am I completely wrong? Although I'm fairly certain that Virtua Fighter came free with the Saturn in North America, there is some evidence that it did not. For example, 1UP quotes Sega's May 11, 1995 launch announcement as saying: "Sega Saturn retails between $399 and $449 and includes Virtua Fighter and a 'Choice Cuts' video sampler of twenty Sega Saturn titles." In 1UP's summary, this becomes: "The Saturn was on shelves that day in select Toys R Us, Electronics Boutique, Software Etcetera and Babbages locations in a standalone $399 edition and a $449 package that included a copy of Virtua Fighter and a disc containing video previews of twenty more Saturn games." While that isn't the only way to interpret the quote, back in 2014 or 2015 I found two other references to the Virtua Fighter pack-in costing $449; one was a worthless "On this day in gaming history" blurb from Game Informer, but the other was an account by a contemporary news magazine (I no longer have either article on hand). Despite this, a Sega of America press release from May 19 states that "Virtua Fighter ... is free with every Sega Saturn unit and included in the box," which seems consistent with the vast majority of reliable sources I've seen. Still, a discrepancy exists, and I wouldn't mind knowing what explains it. When Sega dropped the price to $299, it also announced a $349 Saturn bundled with Virtua Fighter Remix, so it's not as though Sega was above lame bundles saving consumers marginal amounts of money (Remix cost $69.99 on release day, whereas early adopters got it for free).TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:09, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

North American launch lineup revisited[edit]

It's taken me a while to get back to this (those interested in the background can check out "Game Informer article" in archive 1 of this talk page), but I've since dug up another source for the Saturn's North American launch lineup. An article in Next Generation confirms the lineup listed in the Game Informer article: Virtua Fighter, Clockwork Knight, Panzer Dragoon, Worldwide Soccer, Daytona USA, and Pebble Beach Golf Links. However, I remain resolved to remove the Game Informer article; as mentioned before, it cites Wikipedia as a source, so per WP: CIRCULAR we should remove it. And again, while they happen to have hit the mark on the Sega Saturn's lineup, much of its info is embarrassingly wrong. They list games for the 3DO which didn't come out anywhere near launch day.--Martin IIIa (talk) 15:09, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the very late reply, but I think Game Informer should go back in, unless your source confirms (as GI does) that all six games were "published by Sega." If a better source can be found, great; but that key fact should not stand unsourced.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:56, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Front page:[edit]

What would be a good date to send this to the front page? I'm thinking 2019, as that's the 25 year anniversary. But that's two years off. Harizotoh9 (talk) 03:38, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

"The Sega Saturn couldn't do true 3D."[edit]

Should this quote from a single Saturn dev really be there, considering it's patently false and gives the wrong impression? I mean, I know it's an actual quote from a Saturn developer and say what you will about the Saturn's capabilities vis a vis the Playstation, but it certainly could do "true 3D" as evidenced by plenty of fully polygonal games.

And what's with all the other boxed quotes peppered throughout that are more or less just shitting on the Saturn? While not overtly POV, they certainly hint at the POV of whomever put them up (presuming as I am that it was one person). It stinks. Am I alone in seeing it that way? Or is it just my rose-coloured Saturn nostalgia making me biased?

CrinklyCrunk (talk) 00:40, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

If there's proper context, it's fine. If not, then it should be added. Sergecross73 msg me 01:08, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Am I alone in seeing it that way? Or is it just my rose-coloured Saturn nostalgia making me biased? The latter.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 06:33, 7 April 2017 (UTC)