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an Australian named Sam needs to be removed[edit]

The opening paragraph, defining what a serial killer is, needs to be changed - I tried editing it and it doesn't allow for that first sentence/intro to be edited.

Merger proposal[edit]

Following instructions at WP:PM I am proposing the merger of International serial murder into Serial killer.

I think that this is a category 1 proposal (a proposal so obviously necessary and appropriate that no one is expected to object) but given that I haven't been involved with too many mergers before, I'm taking the conservative route, and assuming it's a category 2 (mergers that would benefit from discussion with the other editors...).

The International serial murder article has had a Multiple issues banner since 2009, shortly after its creation, with five bullet items and all five issues still apply. Imho, the article is hopelessly flawed, but it may be that some content can be rescued and merged here. Mathglot (talk) 08:29, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

One thing about that article is that I hope that it is not at any point confusing a person who has committed multiple murders with being a serial killer. Though serial killer and serial murderer are often used interchangeably, being a serial murderer does not necessarily make someone a serial killer (by that, I mean as the word is usually defined by experts on this topic). For example, there are gang members who have murdered multiple people, but they are not considered serial killers by experts based only on that; other factors, as discussed in this article, must come into play. Also see Talk:Serial killer/Archive 3#Maintaining a difference between serial killers and serial murderers for a better understanding of what I mean on this. Flyer22 (talk) 13:56, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
By the way, regarding that archived discussion, I should not have included "war vets" or soldiers in general in that second sentence of mine in reference to murder (their killing people is not usually defined as murder). Flyer22 (talk) 14:14, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
I've redirected that article here; if anyone can find anything of use they may merge at a later date. Fences&Windows 18:04, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanked you via WP:Echo. But taking the time to thank you here as well. Flyer22 (talk) 18:06, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Ethnicity[edit]

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'Some authors state that African American serial killers are as prevalent, or more so, in proportion to the African American population. According to some sources, the percentage of serial killers who are African American is estimated to be between 13 and 22 percent.[71][72] Another study has shown that 16 percent of serial killers are African American, what author Maurice Godwin describes as a "sizeable portion".[73] Anthony Walsh writes, "While it is true that most serial killers are white males, white (Anglo) males are actually slightly underrepresented in the serial killer ranks in terms of their proportion of the general male population" and that "[w]hatever the true proportion of black serial killers in the United States is or has been, it is greater than the proportion of African Americans in the general population."[74] Popular racial stereotypes about the lower intelligence of African-Americans, and the stereotype that serial killers are white males with "bodies stacked up in the basement and strewn all over the countryside" may explain the media focus on serial killers that are white and the failure to adequately report on those that are black'

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This paragraph proports that Black serial killers are greater than the official numbers but sites no evidence that this is so. 'Some authors state...' Which authors? Who? Neo-Nazis, the Klu Klux Klan?

This is the worse sort of racial bigotry, an accusation without evidence based solely or conjecture and I believes has no place in a respectable publication. And the author mentioned, Maurice Godwin, what are his bona fides? What is his research? Where is his evdience aside from racial prejudice?

Please, can this paragraph be boostered by links or edited out. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.253.4.7 (talk) 06:52, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

See Talk:Serial killer/Archive 3#African American serial killers, which shows that I objected to that material when it was its own section; it has changed somewhat since then, but still is about proving a point. And while one can think that the editor who added it is biased against black people, I note that the editor in question has stated that he is black (at WP:LGBT); see this discussion (the WP:NOTFORUM part for the author's comment). So I'm not sure what his motivations were for adding that material, except to relay that some reports single out black people rather than white people as serial killers. As for "Some authors state," examples are given after that sentence (one of which you mentioned). And by "boostered by links," I take it that you mean data supporting these authors' statements? Flyer22 (talk) 07:29, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
As of 25OCT2013, we have a little over 3200 subjects (serial killers, spree and mass murderers) in the Radford/FGCU Serial Killer Database, for all countries with the confirmed race that are confirmed black (not just African American, but all countries), makes it 31%. In the annual statistics we publish on US Serial killers, the current percentage for confirmed African Americans is 25.36%. The data in our database is from Primary sources and confirmed identities, kill counts etc. Hope this helps. Radford/FGCU Serial Killer DB Annual Statistics «»Who?¿? 01:31, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, again reading the wrong line, make that 40.7% of US Serial Killers, between the decades 1900-2010. «»Who?¿? 03:20, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Pat Brown[edit]

Pat Brown is not a criminal profiler. She has no law enforcement background and no advanced degrees in behavioral science. Her opinions do not constitute reliable information. Her opinions should be removed from the page or it should be noted that she is not a criminal profiler. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awhitenoisemaker (talkcontribs) 22:40, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

  • Sure about that? .. Judith Ann Warner (2012). Women and Crime. Texas A&M International University. p. 123. ISBN 978-1-59884-424-5. "received a master’s degree in criminal justice from Boston University (2007)"  -- Moxy (talk) 00:29, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Possible copyright problem[edit]

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