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The two houses of the United States Congress have also adopted this tradition.[2] The primary role of the American Serjeant is as a Doorkeeper and to announce the President when he arrives to deliver the State of the Union address

This seems to be incorrect. The Sergeants-at-Arms in the US Congress, I think, do pretty much the same thing as other sergeants-at-arms. Furthermore, in the House at least, there was a separate office of Doorkeeper of the House who announced the president. john k 21:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

from http://www.senate.gov/reference/office/sergeant_at_arms.htm 66.173.192.96 18:20, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Office of the Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper Sergeant at Arms Bill Pickle William H. Pickle

The Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper, elected by the members, serves as the protocol and chief law enforcement officer and is the principal administrative manager for most support services in the United States Senate.

When the first Congress convened in 1789, the Office of Doorkeeper was established to address the single most pressing problem confronting the Senate at its birth - its inability to keep a majority of members in the Capitol long enough to organize and begin the business of government.

(note- I remember the rare occurance of the Sergeant at Arms dragging in Senators from their chambers to get a quarom 66.173.192.96 18:20, 13 January 2006 (UTC) )

A doorkeeper was also necessary to control access to the Senate sessions, which were private for the first six years. Later, when the sessions were open to the public, the doorkeeper was responsible for maintaining order on the floor of the Senate and in the galleries. The title of Sergeant at Arms was added in 1798 to reflect the expanded administrative duties of the position.

The protocol responsibilities include escorting the President and other heads of state or official guests of the Senate who are attending official functions in the Capitol; making arrangements for funerals of senators who die in office; assisting in plans for the inauguration of the President and organizing the swearing-in and orientation programs for newly elected senators. The Sergeant at Arms leads the senators from the Senate to the House chamber for joint sessions of Congress, to the presidential inaugural platform, or wherever the Senate may go as a body. As executive officer, the Sergeant at Arms has custody of the Senate gavel.

As chief law enforcement officer of the Senate, the Sergeant at Arms is charged with maintaining security in the Capitol and all Senate buildings, as well as protection of the members themselves. The Sergeant at Arms serves as the executive officer of the Senate for enforcement of all rules of the Committee on Rules and Administration regulating the Senate Wing of the Capitol and the Senate Office Buildings and has responsibility for and immediate supervision of the Senate floor, chamber and galleries. The Sergeant at Arms is authorized to arrest and detain any person violating Senate rules, including the President of the United States.

The Sergeant at Arms is the largest in size of staff and budget in the Senate. It is responsible for all Senate computers and technology support services, recording and photographic services, printing and graphics services, and telecommunications services. The Sergeant at Arms also provides assistance to all Senate offices with their staffing, mailing, purchasing and financial needs. The Sergeant at Arms offices responsible for providing these and other services include Capitol Facilities, the Operations Division, Customer Relations, Financial Operations, Human Resources, and Information Security. The Sergeant at Arms also shares responsibility for the U.S. Capitol Police, the Capitol Guide Service, the Senate Page Program, the Senate Office of Education and Training and the Capitol Switchboard. (empasis mine 66.173.192.96 18:20, 13 January 2006 (UTC))

Serjeant?[edit]

Why can't we go back to Sergeant, which is a more accepted spelling? Mr. E. Sánchez (talk) 04:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

  • I agree with this, what exactly was the reasoning for it being moved to this spelling? If no one brings up any major reason to keep it like this I suggest it be moved back. Kuralyov (talk) 05:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm rather confused by the move too. I'll initiate the rather belated move back now. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 22:43, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
@Chess: More accepted spelling by whom? Serjeant-at-arms is used in the UK and many Commonwealth countries. And what's all this rubbish about moving it "back"? The page was created with this name and has always had it (except for a clumsy cut-and-paste move in 2010 which was immediately reverted). So are you saying we should move it to sergeant-at-arms because that's the American term? See WP:ENGVAR for an explanation of why we don't do this. We keep articles at the title under which they were created. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:55, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Serjeant in the UK[edit]

I don't know about the other countries, but in the UK, it is officially Serjeant (for this post, not for the British Army rank etc), somebody has obviously just taken a cut and paste approach since I last looked, and changed not only the text, but even referenced quote parameters and the official Parliament url, breaking it. So whatever happens, please, lets have no repeat of this kind of silly mistake.

MickMacNee (talk) 11:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

United Kingdom[edit]

Why is there no information on the United Kingdom? --Abdulha (talk) 18:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)Abdulha

Why is the newly added info on the UK incorrect? The Serjeant-at-Arms and Black Rod are two different people!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.114.131 (talk) 19:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Reverted cut and paste move[edit]

Note [1]. I've reverted this as a cut-and-paste move. If you want the page moved, you will need to ask an admin to delete Sergeant-at-Arms first, in order to allow this page to be moved using the move button, in order to preserve the page history. MickMacNee (talk) 22:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Bikers[edit]

The term "sergeant-at-arms" is now most commonly met with as the title of the rule-enforcer of an outlaw motorcycle club ("bikers" or "bikies"). Could someone who knows about this please add a section? --Rofish (talk) 21:29, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Advice please[edit]

Who or what is the Grisligan referred to in this article, as it does not appear elsewhere on Wiki ? -- 62.25.109.196 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:16, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

etymology[edit]

What "Other sources have the word originating from Medieval vulgar Serra Gente" ? OED is unambiguous. MacAuslan (talk) 01:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)