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Black Sesame?[edit]

I know that at least in Japanese cuisine, black sesame is commonly used, but there was no mention of this in the article, which even stated that the seeds are 'cream white'. I have even had black tahini in Japan. I could supply a photo of some black sesame if it might be useful (have a jar of it in front of me!)

Some text has been added to reflect this, please feel free expand upon this. Zzorse 02:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
What is the difference between black sesame and regular sesame? Are they from different plant varieties? Do the flavors differ, or is the difference primarily in the color of the seeds? Reify-tech (talk) 13:58, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Cosmic Trading International is a renowned agricultural products exporter of Bangladesh. We export high quality agro products such as sesame seeds, yellow corn, fresh potatoes, peanuts, green mug bean from Bangladesh to any country at a reasonable price and through a quick shipping.

For more information please visit http://www.cosmictraders.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosmictraders (talkcontribs) 06:48, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Ra-yu[edit]

There is something called "ra-yu" which, I think, is made from sesame seeds. It is very spicy, and you should know this before putting it in your soup.

  • "ra yu" or "raa oil"(?) appears to be a seasoning made from sesame oil and red pepper
I think you're talking about là yóu (辣油; see pinyin), or chili pepper oil in Mandarin Chinese.
  • 辣 (là): the spicy falvor of chili peppers. e.h 辣椒 (là jīao; chili pepper).
  • 油 (yóu): oil; e.g. 豬油(zhū yóu; pig-oil; lard).
You can made là yóu from mixing crushed chili pepper with white sesame oil or any other cheaper plant-based light-colored and non-fragrant oil, such as soybean oil. -- Toytoy 02:32, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Separate?[edit]

Should taxonomy information go on a separate "sesame as plant" page apart from "sesame as foodstuff"? 21:21, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Password[edit]

Open Sesame!

Korean cuisine[edit]

In Korean cuisine the leaves of the sesame plant is commonly eaten both raw and pickled. Should I create a sesame leaf article for Korean cuisine, as it's strange talking about the leaves in an article about the seeds of the plant only..? -Himasaram 17:59, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I had been meaning to move this article for some time. I think a combined plant/seed/leaf article is fine until there is much more material. — Pekinensis 18:52, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It's quite all right now, thank you! -Himasaram 19:20, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Koreans eat kkaenip, which is acutally perilla, not sesame leaves, but they are mistakenly translated as "wild sesame leaves" but are unrelated.

sesame[edit]

Q: I would like to know how the seeds are harvested. ro'c

A: See http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/sesame.html

Historical Context[edit]

In the fight about the origins, the main point seems to have been missed. Which is that sesame has been in use from ancient times, that is why it is so difficult to pin down the origin. Not only was it used in ancient times, but also considered very beneficial in ancient times. I have added Mythological Background section to reflect this fact. Also added a few comments under uses regarding the use of sesame in roman times

The Assyrian legend regarding Gods drinking Sesame wine seems to be true. These Gods were none other than the early Indo-Aryans who entered India from that direction, about three to four thousand years ago. According to Hindu mythology they used to drink a wine called ‘Soma Rasa’ ,perhaps a fermented juice of Sesame seeds mixed with honey. It was also called ‘Amrit ‘the liquid of immortality. Indra the chief of the Aryans was a great lover of this drink. Even Lord Shiva, the Asura God seems to be fond of this drink. According to one article of Wikipedia Lord Shiva sometimes used to visit the magnificent palace of Amarendra on Mount Sumer to discuss political matters with him, over a jar or two of the divine liquid. The statement that Sesame oil is considered to be auspicious by the Hindus does not seem to be correct, because it is associated with, Lord Shiva the God of Asuras, the unholy planet ‘SHANI’( the Saturn) and the PitRs/Pitrus ( the spirits of the dead ancestors). The black sesame seeds are used for ‘ TARPANA’ on the new moon day.( offering of Sesame seeds drenched in water to the Sun God or to the dead ancestors). The sesame oil is poured over the heads of the Idols of Lord Shiva and Planet Saturn to appease them. Nobody brings back the left out oil from the temple back home. Sesame oil is not used to light the lamps before other Gods (Aryan), because they prefer lamps which burn by using Ghee (molten butter of cow’s milk.).The Hindi idiom- ‘lighting lamps of ghee' in the house ‘means a celebration in the house. Sesame seeds are liberally used during the annual death ceremony of the Parents (called ‘Sraaddha ‘ in Hindu families). The souls of the three generations of dead father or mother are invoked on the day of death (as per lunar calendar) by using Sesame seeds and’ Darbha’ grass (needle edged long dried blades of grass) and by inviting them to enter the bodies of three Brahmans. The Brahmans are worshiped and a variety of food items including an item specially made of Sesame seeds is served as lunch to them in the after-noon. It is ensured that they are fully satisfied with the food. Sesame is the only seed that can pacify the evil planet Saturn. Sesame oil is poured over the head of his idol and a few kilograms of sesame seeds are given freely to a Brahman, there by transferring the Saturn who is sitting on one’s head to the head of the Brahman, who is capable of warding off the evil effect on him. Other people will never accept the gift of Sesame seeds at least in the South-Indian Brahman families, because if the planet Saturn sits on one’s head or one's constellation of birth, he can cause a lot of misery for a period ranging from one month to seven years. Use of Sesame is forbidden on other days. ‘Open Sesame ‘in the mythological story also appears to be a ‘ mantra’ by which some Spirit or' Jin' is evoked to open the entrance to the cave. I am a devout South Indian Brahman and these statements are based on my personal experience 117.195.237.206 (talk) 06:40, 19 July 2013 (UTC)Bksatyanarayana

Sesame Seeds Digestion[edit]

Can the human body digest sesame seeds? Seems to have the same effect as corn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.214.11.170 (talk) 19:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Toxins?[edit]

I've been eating some (what I believe to be; they were in a free pile of food) sesame seeds lately. They tasted better today, probably because I'm more hungry, but they still seem to have a somewhat bitter taste to them. I presume there is some sort of toxin in them? Or is it just me? If they do contain toxins, are they still suitable for eating (i.e. have very low but still detectable levels). Sparrows seem to like them, but then sparrows can eat a lot of things I normally wouldn't (even if free). They're not really used as a food as such but more like a flavouring or topping, so I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't that good to eat as a bulk food. Richard001 (talk) 02:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

There are many foods much bitter than sesame, nobody died eating them and some people like bitter taste. I personally got used to and like bitter aftertaste of sesame oil but I don't think it is a toxin. could be the Lignans which give it the bitter taste which means they play the role of preservatives to prevent the sesame/oil from spoiling, but it is just my opinion and I dont have any citations for this

Disputed information[edit]

I'm not a plant expert, I am a home chef reading up on sesame. I've put a dispute in the "Origins" section for the following reasons:

  1. I find it unlikely that the sesame plants were developed in Leeds, England yet also have been found in Egyptian toombs
  2. The plant can either grow to 2-3 feet tall or 7 feet tall. If there are several varieties, it should be specifically noted.
  3. I find it difficult to believe that a book written in 2000 contains results of a study commissioned in 2006.

I'd fix it, but I don't know right from wrong on this topic.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

This was unreverted vandalism from late May, 2008. I removed it.--Curtis Clark (talk) 22:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of the discussion was: Do not move, per WP:SNOWDrilnoth (TC) 13:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Requested move of Sesame to Sesame (plant) and Sesame (disambiguation) to Sesame.

  • Among Americans under 50 years old, which category is more common??
  1. People who cannot mention the word Sesame without thinking of this plant
  2. People who cannot mention the word Sesame without thinking of Sesame Street

I'm sure the latter kind is more common, so I support this move. (Note: whether this move is performed or not, Sesame Street's article will remain at Sesame Street.) Georgia guy (talk) 20:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

That's so funny since for me the first thing I thought of was the seed which does not have an article! Support. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Um, why is your rationale restricted to Americans under 50 years old? Oppose. "Sesame Street" is only referred to with "Street" in the name. I would, however, consider supporting a move of this article to Sesamum indicum with a redirect from Sesame. (By the way, I'm an American under 50 and I think the primary topic is the plant). --Rkitko (talk) 00:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Americans under 50 years old?? Now, you know very well that most older Americans are "old dogs" as in the phrase "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". Are there plenty of Wikipedians over 50?? Georgia guy (talk) 21:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not targeted to "Americans under 50 years old." Check out WP:BIAS when you get a chance. — AjaxSmack 02:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Oppose per Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Apparently Georgia Guy is unfamiliar with the point of disambiguation, which is to distinguish between multiple uses of a single term that is "likely to be the natural title for more than one article". Sesame is not a natural title for the article Sesame Street. And with respect to the proposed disambiguation page: "Do not add links that merely contain part of the page title, or links that include the page title in a longer proper name, where there is no significant risk of confusion. Only add links to articles that could use essentially the same title as the disambiguated term. Disambiguation pages are not search indices." Hesperian 00:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Hesperian. --Born2cycle (talk) 00:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose the primary meaning is the plant or its seed or their derivatives. 76.66.193.90 (talk) 06:02, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Sesame and Sesame Street are two different things. Kingdon (talk) 19:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I'm over 50, but some of us did reproduce, and our children watched Sesame Street, but how many people think of Cookie Monster when they hear "sesame seed bun"?--Curtis Clark (talk) 15:12, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
    That's a 3-word phrase and it lacks a Wikipedia article. Why, for example, is the article for London, England at London?? There is hardly someone, even in the United States, who can hear the word London without thinking of the city in England. Georgia guy (talk) 16:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
    And London is the natural title for the English capital, strangely enough. But Sesame isn't a natural title of Sesame Street. Hesperian
  • Oppose. Strange interpretation of WP:DAB. But it could be worse; The proposal could have been to redirect sesame to Sesame Street and link to the DAB by a hatnote. (;-> Andrewa (talk) 01:49, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose - this is clearly the primary use of sesame. Sesame Street would never be at sesame, so that discussion is beside the point. Guettarda (talk) 01:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Closing comments: I'm closing this discussion because it looks like it's going to kept as-is per WP:SNOW. This is a non-admin closure; I do not believe that this fact should change anything, but believe it is worth mentioning in case there is any question... if you think that I closed this wrongly, please feel free to post something at WP:AN to request the input of an uninvolved administrator, and please leave a note on my talk page so that I am aware of the situation. Thanks! –Drilnoth (TC) 13:56, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Info- requiring verification[edit]

The dates are not corresponding to refenced info- and Sesaco shows unverified 7500 history. - Sesame is an oil producing seed that is commonly described in many human civilizations. Egyptians called it sesemt, and it is included in the list of medicinal drugs in the scrolls of the Ebers Papyrus dated to be over 3600 years old. The records from Babylon and Assyria, dating about 4000 years ago mention Sesame. Archeological reports from Turkey indicate that Sesame was grown and pressed to extract oil at least 2750 years ago in the empire of Urartu. Archaeological remnants dating to 5500 years ago in the Indian subcontinent suggest Sesame was a domesticated crop - cite web|title=Sesame|author=Sesame Coordinators|publisher=Sesaco|url=http://www.sesaco.net/index.htm & cite web|title=Sesame|author=E.S. Oplinger, D.H. Putnam, et al.|publisher=Purdue University|url=http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/sesame.html Largehole (talk) 16:25, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

The 7500 year history claim is supported (see here: http://www.sesaco.com/growing-sesame ; and here: http://www.sesaco.com/Websites/sesaco/images/2012_Sesame_Producer_Guide_13_Feb.pdf); please see page 2, first para, last sentence. See Bedigian and others for more history.
You have deleted some well supported and verifiable information. Please explain why. For example, you deleted a version of the following, "Sesame (Sesamum indicum L., Pedaliaceae) is a very old cultivated crop and thought to have originated in Africa (Ram et al. 1990)." For WP:V compliance, please see: http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/v5-153.html ; I believe claims of Sesame history in Africa are relevant and should remain. If you find sources that dispute this, I urge you to cite your source as well. Avoid selectively deleting one side, rather summarize both sources. Because, in wiki articles, we must summarize all sides if there are multiple sides, never take sides by biasing the article to whichever side you prefer. I also request that you reconsider some of the other deletion and edits you made because when I began editing this section months ago, I found other wiki editors before me had in good faith done a good job in summarizing verifiable information. It took hours of reading and verifying on my part; in the end, the sources checked out.
Your constructive contributions are most welcome. ApostleVonColorado (talk) 07:28, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Mexico's exports for McDonald's[edit]

I feel this sentence from the article is misleading:

About one-third of Mexico's sesame crop is exported to the United States and purchased by McDonald's for their sesame seed buns (The Nut Factory 1999).[40]

The cited article reads differently: "About one-third of the imported crop from Mexico is purchased by McDonalds for their sesame seed buns (The Nut Factory 1999)."

The wikipedia article restates this in a way that makes it sounds as if one-third of all of Mexico's sesame crop is exported and wholly purchased by McDonald's. In fact, only one-third of the sesame exported to the US is purchased by McDonald's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BradChoate (talkcontribs) 03:27, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Your're right, the wording was misleading, plus times have changed. I've updated the article with a more recent statistic (75% of the Mexico crop is used by McD worldwide!) from more reliable sources. Dictioneer (talk) 22:14, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Organophosphate poisoning moved here[edit]

I've removed from the article the following recent addition:

Unprocessed black colored sesame seeds are comparable to organophosphate crystals (Phorate) and have been accidentally ingested to result in fatal poisoning. [1]

  1. ^ Khatiwada, M, Tripathi, M, Pokharel, K, Acharya, R, Subedi A, (2012). Ambiguous prorate granules for sesame seeds linked to accidental organophosphate fatal poisoning. JNMA J Nepal Med Assoc. 2012 Jan-Mar;52(185):49-51. PubMed PMID: 23279775 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23279775

The citation appears legit, but the wording of the sentence is misleading (the article says the crystals can be confused with black sesame seeds, not the other way around), and while trying to reword it I came to question the utility of the sentence. I'm leaving it here in case the editor wishes to reword it and put it back. Dictioneer (talk) 22:20, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Sesame snaps redirects here[edit]

Sesame snaps does not appear in the article. Imagine Reason (talk) 04:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

"Various Languages" table, South Asian / Indian languages need help[edit]

The Etymology section was messed up by a formatting error in the table of names in various languages. I did my best to restore it based on an old version, but I doubt what is shows right now is correct, especially regarding the Oriya" language. Someone who is both familiar with the relevant languages and comfortable with Wikipedia's table markup will need to have a look.

Good source of phytic acid[edit]

phytic acid lists sesame seeds as a good source but it's not mentioned in this article. - Rod57 (talk) 23:28, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

We export sesame seeds, green mug bean from Bangladesh.[edit]

Cosmic Trading International is a renowned agricultural products exporter of Bangladesh. We export high quality agro products such as sesame seeds, yellow corn, fresh potatoes, peanuts, green mug bean from Bangladesh to any country at a reasonable price and through a quick shipping.

For more information please visit http://www.cosmictraders.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosmictraders (talkcontribs) 06:50, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

nutrition[edit]

this table is no longer supported by the source provided. each field needs to be reviewed per VERIFY before this can be restored

Sesame seed kernels, dried
(Daily Value)
Nutritional value per 100 g (3.5 oz)
Energy 581 kcal (2,430 kJ)
11.65 g
Sugars 0.3 g
Dietary fiber 11.8 g
49.67 g
Saturated 6.957 g
Trans 0 g
Monounsaturated 18.759 g
Polyunsaturated 21.773 g
0.376 g
21.375 g
17.73 g
Tryptophan 0.330 g
Threonine 0.730 g
Isoleucine 0.750 g
Leucine 1.500 g
Lysine 0.650 g
Methionine 0.880 g
Cystine 0.440 g
Phenylalanine 0.940 g
Tyrosine 0.790 g
Valine 0.980 g
Arginine 3.250 g
Histidine 0.550 g
Alanine 0.990 g
Aspartic acid 2.070 g
Glutamic acid 4.600 g
Glycine 1.090 g
Proline 1.040 g
Serine 1.200 g
Hydroxyproline 0.000 g
Vitamins
Thiamine (B1)
(70%)
0.8 mg
Riboflavin (B2)
(21%)
0.25 mg
Niacin (B3)
(30%)
4.5 mg
Folate (B9)
(24%)
97 μg
Vitamin C
(0%)
0.0 mg
Minerals
Calcium
(98%)
975 mg
Iron
(112%)
14.6 mg
Magnesium
(99%)
351 mg
Manganese
(119%)
2.5 mg
Phosphorus
(90%)
629 mg
Potassium
(10%)
468 mg
Sodium
(1%)
11 mg
Zinc
(82%)
7.8 mg
Other constituents
Water 4.69 g
Percentages are roughly approximated using US recommendations for adults.
Source: USDA Nutrient Database

- Jytdog (talk) 19:46, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

What's wrong with it? HempFan (talk) 19:56, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Aside from the fact that Hydroxyproline isn't actually listed in the USDA entry I mean. HempFan (talk) 19:59, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
This table is from the appropriate USDA source and the DVs calculated derive from the standard WP nutritional profile format. The source, contents and text were valid and should be restored. --Zefr (talk) 20:19, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Just a quick question: what exactly is "standard WP nutritional profile format"? And thanks for agreeing with me for a change :) HempFan (talk) 21:56, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
The template at the beginning of the nutrient content table (in edit mode, "nutritionalvalue ... ") creates the nutrition table used widely on WP (and by manufacturers of food products for their Nutrition Facts labels). It calculates kcal and % DVs, and should not be superseded by personal interpretations, in my opinion, as this is original research, WP:OR, correctly stated by Jytdog. --Zefr (talk) 22:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
This is just parked here until it can be reviewed and fixed; I don't intend it to be permanently removed. There are three issues. There are fields in this table that are not in the source provided at all. Changes were made here that reflect WP:OR. The percentage is based on a DV that is not sourced; there are different values for DVs from different authorities. If somebody wants to go through this table and validate that the value in each field is supported by a reliable source and cite that source or sources, of course it can be restored. Jytdog (talk) 21:09, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
It's not original research... The issue here is that the USDA has some problems in how they list macronutrients, among other issues. For the most part, I don't have any issues with the actual macronutrient amounts they list, but... 17.73+49.67+23.45+11.8 = 102.65 g, leaving no room for water or ash, and is obviously above 100 g. Now, if you count the carb content properly (11.65 g, or just exclude fiber from the calculation), you'll get 90.85 g, leaving room for water and ash. But you can't count fiber as carbs due to the differences in energy. As for me adjusting the calories, that's because USDA regularly miscalculates the calories (they must have a broken calorie calculator or something?). You let me know what you get when you calculate these exact grams: 17.73 (protein) + 49.67 (fat) +11.65 (carbs) + 11.8 (fiber). Just keep in mind that protein and carbs are 4.06 kcal per g, fat is 8.84 kcal per g and fiber is 1.91 kcal per g. I'll give you an example on how inaccurate USDA is from time to time, based on my favorite seed: hemp: 31.56 g protein out of 100 g seeds, right? Well, if you press the amino acid details and add up those amino acids, you'll get 34.354 g of protein per 100 g. Now, hulled hemp seeds can reach that high protein content, but they're listing a different seed crop obviously in the amino acid details, and when hemp has 34 g of protein, fat or some other macronutrient is decreased. Another issue with USDA's hemp entry, is that there's no hulled hemp seeds on the entire planet, that has as few calories as 553 kcal per 100 g (it varies from around 578 to 610 kcal, depending on the macronutrient percentages). Properly calculating USDA's hemp seed entry, and you'll get 586 kcal; even if you disregard the fiber kcal because that's not always counted, you still get 578 kcal. So again, please tell me what's wrong with the nutrition table? There's no original research at all here. HempFan (talk) 21:56, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
What you just did there was show me the original research you did to arrive at the number you added to the table. You can't do that in wikipedia. It violates the policy, WP:OR. Jytdog (talk) 21:59, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
If you want to intentionally display scientifically inaccurate content here on Wikipedia based on not violating what you call original research, then be my guest. The point is that there's no calorie calculator on the planet (not a scientifically accurate one anyway) that will give you the reported energy scores listed on USDA, and fiber and carbohydrates are not the same thing, because fiber has half the energy (if at all). HempFan (talk) 22:04, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Another thing: can you actually provide a reliable source that lists sesame seeds with an actual carbohydrate content of 20+ g out of 100 g sesame seeds? You do realize, that would increase the calories far beyond 581 kcal, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HempFan (talkcontribs) 22:14, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
It's a rhetorical question by the way, because sesame seeds with 23 g of carbs simply do not exist. HempFan (talk) 22:17, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── all i will to say you, yet again, is that if you want to be a Wikipedia editor you must follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. All content must be based on reliable sources. That is not an option. Stop making arguments from your personal knowledge or your own original research. You must argue based on what the best available reliable sources say. Period. Jytdog (talk) 22:34, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

It's "original research" to the extent that Wikipedia's nutritional profile table, lacks an automatic calorie calculator (why? It automatically calculates the DV percentages of micronutrients, so it should automatically calculate calories based on the input of macronutrients). As far as I know, I didn't miscalculate those energy scores, and again: I challenge you both to provide me an example of sesame seeds with 23 g of carbohydrates (and that by excluding fiber). Sesame on average contain around 11 g of carbs, and without the shell, it's even less than 5 g of carbs. USDA is wrong here, and while you two want to correctly report the energy they list, are also wrong because energy isn't calculated differently or abitrarily from food to food. The energy of macronutrients don't vary. HempFan (talk) 22:37, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Here's an example of 100 g sesame seed nutrition, carbs: 6 g, and kcal, 581. HempFan (talk) 22:45, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
The value for calories wasn't calculated it was drawn from the cited USDA website. This talk page is not a forum. The values in the table must be sourced from reliable sources. Not OR, and not some blog. Jytdog (talk) 00:58, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
But do you at the very least acknowledge that USDA lists some faulty information, especially in regards to energy levels? I'll give you another example, walnuts: 654 kcal, 2738 kJ. Now, 1 kcal is 4.184 kJ. 654 kcal is exactly 2736.336 kJ. Never mind the fact that the actual macronutrient energy listed in the Walnut entry, should be 680 kcal (and 2844 kJ), based on those nutrients. This is not a matter of my own opinion or "personal knowledge", and it's not original research either, it's a scientific fact. Someone should email USDA and point them out their inaccuracies so that they can correct these values. HempFan (talk) 01:12, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
If you can find a source that is more reliable than the USDA and can convince the community that this is the case, then you can use it. Neither I nor anybody else in Wikipedia is interested in your WP:OR. You need to stop bringing your OR into Wikipedia and just asserting that "X is a scientific fact". Every time you do it, you lose more credibility here and pretty soon people will stop responding to you and will just shun you. The only authority in WP are the sources - please get through your head -- the only thing that matters in Wikipedia is what reliable sources say. Bring very strong sources, summarize them accurately and your content will generally stick. Bring poor sources or add unsourced content and you will have problems all day long. Jytdog (talk) 01:21, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
The source (USDA) despite its flaws, is fine and reliable, but it does not follow scientific standards for energy units. And you're okay with that out of source citation dogma or something. The point here is, you're pushing for inaccurate nutritional information. If you think I'm worth ignoring for pointing that out, then that's a problem for Wikipedia's credibility in general as far nutritional content goes (don't worry, I will email USDA later, if I can find their email somehwere). HempFan (talk) 01:36, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The only thing I am pushing is compliance with Wikipedia policy. Like I said if you can bring a stronger source (that the community accepts as stronger), use it. Jytdog (talk) 01:49, 22 May 2016 (UTC)