Talk:Shame society

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Examples of Guilt societies?[edit]

Hello, What are some examples of Guilt societies? How can we expand upon this comment (from the "Shame society" page): "Contemporary Western society uses shame as one modality of control, but its primary dependence rests on guilt, and, when that does not work, on the criminal justice system." ~~ 137.254.4.6 (talk) 13:35, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Iraq[edit]

I deleted the article on the "shame" society of Iraq because it did not seem to be concerned with the general concept but with (then) current policy debate. Does this seem reasonable to others? ~~

Homer[edit]

Why are there no references to Homer's works?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.175.197.165 (talk) 01:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Who knows, Man (El Barto) 01:32, 24 November 2008
LOL 220.101.4.140 (talk) 16:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed Merge[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
No consensus. As far as I can tell, the 4 articles encompass different topics/scope. Merging different topics together for the sake of contrast is unhelpful and potentially damaging. - M0rphzone (talk) 22:45, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I came here through category surfing so I have no axe to grind, but I cannot accept the reason given (in an edit summary here) that "shame" and "guilt" are synonyms! I would suggest that the editor who made that comparison buys a better dictionary. † Misericord (talk) 23:05, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Or the proposed article could compare and contrast the two better: "Guilt and shame overlap somewhat and although guilt is a more mature emotion developmentally than shame, as just mentioned, and has different effects because of this, one cannot be discussed without the other." [1]
I would go further and suggest that all four articles be merged:
  1. Shame
  2. Shame society
  3. Guilt
  4. Guilt society
I see nothing to justify four separate articles. Nor am I suggesting that the two (shame and guilt) are the same exact thing. However, they are closely related, and an article that tells what they have in common would also be the best place to highlight the distinction between them. --Uncle Ed (talk) 22:04, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
I support the merge of shame society with guilt society. 153 [x] 20:25, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
A shame society is, in the end, a pretty different entity form a guilt society; with room to expand and possibly explored ideas the articles have good potential to expand. I'm not a wiki vet., but while two entities have enough difference to not be easily confused with each other (As I would say these do), they seem justified as separate articles. Wikipedia's function is to define and explain basically every noun, and while contrasting helps that if available and simple, merging simply for the sake of contrast (as in, putting two different things in one article to showcase that they are different), doesn't seem a beneficial or sensible idea.
Down with 'dat merging. --Sgtlion (talk) 19:41, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

"America as a tamer of shame societies"[edit]

I don't see any relevance of this section in the article. Therefore I will delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.108.146.212 (talk) 17:45, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Relevance of The Chrysanthemum and the Sword?[edit]

The section on Japan seems to dedicate only one sentence to describing the society, and then digresses into a description of The Chrysanthemum and the Sword. I understand the relevance of the book to cultural anthropology, but is it really relevant to shame-society or it's history in Japan? Even of it were included, wouldn't it do well to include a bit more description of the actual culture to balance it out? --173.49.252.241 (talk) 16:39, 7 August 2014 (UTC)