Talk:Shammar

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Much of the first half of the article should be moved to Tayy. Slackerlawstudent 19:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Shammar[edit]

add this pic to the article

Image:Fahd.jpg

The picture was taken in 1925 of man from Shammar tribe with Asiatic Cheetah ( Fahd Sayyad or Fahd Alrabi)..bedouin use this animal for hunt.

Calendar eras[edit]

I believe it would be appropriate to use the Common Era indicators CE and BCE in this article instead of the Anno Domini AD and BC. It would also be appropriate to include Islamic calendar dates, where appropriate, along with Julian/Gregorian dates. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Calendars - "Dates can be given in any appropriate calendar, as long as the date in either the Julian or Gregorian calendars is provided, as described below. For example, an article on the early history of Islam may give dates in both Islamic and Julian calendars." If no one objects in a reasonable time, I will conver the date to CE/BCE. -- Donald Albury 13:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Revamp[edit]

Just to explain my recent edits. The article seemed to be much more about Tayy than Shammar, even though they are two different tribes with two different histories. Also, there's no evidence linking the two tribes because Shammar's arrival in north Arabia is relatively recent and well-known. I also removed some repititions and some unencyclopedic language. There are a couple of good English language sources mentioned at the bottom of the article; maybe we should use those to improve what we already have here. -- Slacker (talk) 15:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

OMG[edit]

I have been working on completing the article first then moving the stuff to Tayy. I wish you would have copied the stuff that is relevant to Tayy in in Tayy article, instead you seemed to have deleted it. I must say I am broken hearted. I have been collecting these lines in the time line you deleted so easily from different sources and I doubt I can trace my steps. If you did copy the stuff you deleted please let me know. Your comment about Tayy and Shammar being two different tribes was more of a reason to keep the time line together because it places both tribes in the Shammar Mountains, which would tip us of to which of the 12 tribes of Tayy became the three branches of Shammar. I love what you have done with the article. It is easier to read but I feel like you cut my hair too short. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.200.18.13 (talk) 23:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

No need to despair my friend. We can work something out. I'm glad to see someone else who likes to work on these types of articles. All the previous text is still safe and sound in the article history, and you can revert it all if you like. If you need help accessing the previous versions of the article, let me know. I don't know about the timeline; my opinion is that any relevant info provided by the timeline should eventually be incorporated into the article text anyway, and the rest of the timeline deleted, but like I said we can eventually agree on the best mode of presentation. Right now our focus should be on gathering sources. If you have sources that try to deduce which parts of Shammar are originally from Tayy, it would be great if you can list them here so we could use them. -- Slacker (talk) 02:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Clean Up[edit]

I've linked key words to their relivant Wikipedia articles and cleaned up some of the wording to make it more straight-forward and less confusing. I've also removed the unsourced statement that Adiyy ibn Hatim was revered by the Shia after being told no such character is revered (or even known) in mainstream Shia Islam by several UK-based Shia scholars that I managed to get in contact with through some family friends. I don't have any written sourcesfor that, and I am not too sure about their credentials, but they did seem to generally know what they were talking about and were respected by the family.

Another problem is on the timeline, I am pretty sure Shamar Mahon has very little to do with the Arabian tribe except for sharing the first name. On that same matter, the name Shammar derives from the king Shammar Yahri'sh, and I see no connection to this iconic forefather of the tribe anywhere here, so can someone please add that connection - a Wikipedia Article on him already exists.

Peace. SaSH (talk) 00:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Timeline clarifications please[edit]

  • 1815: punctuation needed to show who they rebel against and who puts it down.
  • March 1901: "1200 Shammaris lost 400 under Abdul Aziz Almutab Alrashid defeat an invasion of Hayel against the Emir of Kuwait over 64000 men and lost 9000" completely garbled; needs punctuation to give meaning.
  • 1910: "Ajumaima against Saud Abdulaziz bin Rasheed Shammar defeats Alruoula and Unizah". Should this be 2 sentences? Else what does it mean?
  • March 1910: What does "Alsadoun on 4000" mean?
  • 1921: What is the "1299+622" about?
  • 1921: "Arwa Battle Utaiba and Shammar Utaiba is defeated" needs punctuation to clarify meaning.

--Stfg (talk) 23:08, 11 March 2012 (UTC)