Talk:Sheep (song)

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Lyrics[edit]

The posting of lyrics is no more a copyright violation than writing about the song itself. This is allowed under Fair Use, and should NOT be deleted. - Cashcow

Is the drum noise when they come in reversed or something?

Ending[edit]

I have some issues with the interpretation of the ending of the song. In a Guitar World article on the album, the ending of the song resembled the ending of "Animal Farm" where, despite their best efforts, life went back to the oppressive way it was. There are also the way that the lyrics are constructed, alternating from speaking "to" the sheep and the sheep themselves speaking, which leads me to believe that the uprising was not successful, pointed out in the line "You better stay home, better do what you're told/Get out of the road if you want to grow old". In this interpretation, the dogs and the sheep rise up against the pigs. The dogs are defeated and the sheep are discouraged from continuing. I could just be crazy, though... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Highscorefilms (talkcontribs) 15:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Bass[edit]

The Credits and Quotes sections differ on who played bass. What's the deal? – Hattrem 18:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

According to the PF Encyclopedia David Gilmour played bass. Floyd(Norway) 21:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Meaning[edit]

I removed this line from the end of the "meaning" section:

Despite popular belief, this is not a possible reference to the Russian October Revolution as represented in Animal Farm because the album critiques western capitalism rather than communism.

...and I'm placing the line here incase someone cares to mull it over and perhaps replace, or modify it. Because there are no references in this section it is a matter of editor opinion. The rise of the sheep can easily be a reference to Animal Farm albeit a loose one. Animal Farm's insights can easily be applied to Western corporatized civilization and often are. Producing a quote from Waters regarding his intent would help, but still not nullify such an interpretation. An example of cross referencing communism and corporatism as similar power structures with distorted values in a recent pop music context would be the lyrics of Radiohead in several of their songs. "2+2=5" is an obvious example, but more illuminating are the lyrics to "Bangers and Mash". After listing the various figures of power in English society and mentioning ideas of a hierarchy of power the singer states "You're all dancing to my Little Red Book". - Steve3849 talk 23:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

The line is replaced with slightly less POV. - Steve3849 talk 23:19, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Agree with your removal, although to be fair to the person who inserted that line, it was probably done in anticipation that other editors may try to insert opinions about politics and literary connections with Orwell, and nip it in the bud. Also, the edit did acknowledge 2 sides of a possible discussion. (No, it wasn't me who inserted it!) --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 23:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Satanic controversy[edit]

I've removed this sentence which followed the analysis of the "psalm" part of the lyrics: "This section has caused some controversy for Pink Floyd, as the band has been accused of Satanism based on this section", followed by a reference to a web page called http://www.av1611.org/rock.html.

I can't see that this page is evidence that an accusation has been made against the song by a prominent religious body, or that such criticism has been reported in the media. It appears to be a long list of one person's observations about many songs, frequently failing to explain exactly what the complaint is (there is an implied "you-figure-it-out"), rather than citing notable public controversies. I also notice that while this page claims to be hosted by a Ministry, their info page goes on to say its members belong to "a local Baptist church" which suggests their group is not a church in itself. A lot of examples of Satanic rock on that page have dubious credibility, a good example being the other quote of a Pink Floyd song: "Lucifer Sam", where the author uses elipses to remove the information that Sam is a Siam cat; therefore the author is deliberately misrepresenting the lyric, claiming it's about something he knows very well it isn't. I think we can find a better source than this if we want to prove that this song has been accused of something. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 13:45, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Agree - no notable controversy. Allmusic's review mentions Water's "black spirit" and that the music is for "cultists". However, I see nothing of Satan. Ha! People who cherish the Psalms may bemoan "is nothing sacred?" It's the last line of the Psalm satire, "make the bugger's eyes water," that makes it pretty level headed stuff: even if the sheep, should manage to organize the powers that be would not be hurt much. - Steve3849 talk 12:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)