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Contested deletion[edit]

Along with Laila, Sheikh Noor ud-Din Wali is the patron saint of Kashmiris both Muslims and Hindus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.99.170 (talk) 01:24, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

This is a page about an actual historical figure (also known as Nund Rishi). The page should be reinstated so that those interested can improve the text. --Yogiwallah (talk) 06:45, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

thank you for undeleting this page. commonsense prevails. If I get time in the next few weeks I'll try to improve the page. Yogiwallah (talk) 21:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

The pride of us Muslims and Hindu Kashmirs. A person with a scientific mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.182.31.129 (talk) 15:38, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Contested name[edit]

Sheikh Noor ud-Din Wali, better known as Nund Rishi, was a Kashmiri Sufi who used yogic techniques, having had his Kundalini awakened by the Shaivite yogini, Lalleshwari, also known as Lal Ded. His Hindu followers remember him as Sahazanand, ‘the blissful one’, and believe that he was nominally a Muslim but in reality a sanyasi. His sayings have been preserved in the Rishi Nama written in the Kashmiri Sharda script. The chief disciples of Nund Rishi founded the Rishi Sufi Order which is indigenous to Kashmir. The Rishis’ spiritual practices were almost identical to those of the Hindu sanyasis. As the Kashmiri historian Rafiqi has noted, “All they (Rishis) seem to have added to the Natha framework was the name of Allah or huwa.’ (cited by Ramsay 2012:199). Yogiwallah (talk) 22:25, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Nund Rishi means "the Sage from the village of Nund" and is his nickname, while Noor ud-Din Wali is his full name. It would be interesting to know which one of the two is more popular nowaydays, but I doubt there have been any studies about the subject. Both being equally used, the formal name should stand as article title. So, I'd leave as it is.
As to Kundalini awakening, etc., that's not something that goes into article, sorry. As regards the Kashmiri Rishi tradition, although it drew primarily on various Hindu ascetic traditions, I would be more careful in saying it is "identical" to anything. The sheer wealth of sannyasi traditions across India makes such a general statement devoid of any meaning. Additionally, Kashmir has had its own spiritual tradition with significant influences of Tantra and Tibetan Buddhism - see Kashmir Shaivism. The script in which his sayings were written down is of little relevance to article title.
In general, when trying to improve the article, it would be good to quote reliable academic sources on the history of religion in Kashmir. Temporarily I have access to none.
Regards, kashmiri TALK 03:17, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Surely when talking about a Sufi with yogic connections, the comment regarding Kundalini awakening by a yogini is relevant. Yogiwallah (talk) 00:05, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Bibliography[edit]

This listing probably needs trimming before adding to the main page:

‘Nund Reshi’s Shruks’, translated by P.N.Razdan http://www.koausa.org/KashmiriGems/NundReshi2.html

Prem Nath Bazaz, ‘Influence of Shaivism on Nund Rishi’ Indian Literature 16(1-2), 1973:256-267 (available on jstore.org) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yogiwallah (talkcontribs) 22:51, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

G.N.Gauhar, Sheikh Noor-ud-din Wali (Nund Rishi) (New Delhi: Sahitya Akademi, 1988)

Yoginder Sikand, ‘Kashmiri Sufism: theological resources for peace-building’ (2006) http://www.countercurrents.org/kashmir-sikand210706.htm

Fida M.Hassnain, ‘The Rishi Sufi Order of Kashmir: Kashmir’s gift to mysticism’ (2005) http://sufinews.blogspot.com/2005/12/rishi-sufi-order-of-kashmir-kashmirs.html

Jaishree K.Odin, Lalla to Nuruddin: Rishi-Sufi poetry of Kashmir (Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, 2013)

Charles M.Ramsey, ‘Rishiwaer: Kashmir, the Garden of the Saints’, in South Asian Sufis: Devotion, Deviation, and Destiny, edited by Clinton Bennett and Charles M.Ramsey (London: Continuum, 2012):197-210

PN.Razdan, Gems of Kashmiri literature and Kashmiriyat (the Trio of Saint Poets) (New Delhi: Samkaleen Prakashan, 1999). Section 2: Sheikh Ul-Alam (Nund Reshi) http://www.koausa.org/KashmiriGems/index.html

Yogiwallah (talk) 22:33, 22 November 2015 (UTC)