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basic disagreement Shia / Sunni[edit]

This article states that Mohammed quite explicitly designed Ali as his successor. Someone should update this article to explain why 75% - 90% of Muslims, the Sunni, do not believe that Ali was the rightful heir to Mohammed as leader of Islam. This article just silently states as fact this successor designation, and does not say why the overwhelming majority of Islamic people do not believe that Ali was the rightful heir despite (??) this statement from Mohammed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.77.111.18 (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Basic disagreement is that, for example girl wants to go to beach, and most of other girls are partially naked, and this is not stated in Quaran; then Shia is adaptive, and hence girl can do what others do, where Sunni is traditionalist - as this is not stated in Quaran, girl must dress herself like terrorist ninja. 77.11.41.93 (talk) 16:50, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

@Sa.vakilian and others: Why does this sentence exist in the article: "Muhammad, before his death, designated Ali as his successor." Do you agree it should be removed or rephrased?--Anders Feder (talk) 02:40, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
This particular POV seems to have been first introduced by an anonymous editor[1] and then, on a second occasion (in good faith), by Faizhaider[2]. If that continues, the involved editors should be blocked.--Anders Feder (talk) 03:14, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm no topical expert, but it seems to me that the question about why this sentence is in the article touches on two separate areas of concern.
  • First, the topic of the article is Shia Islam. Discussion about how other branches of Islam differ, if mentioned at all, probably ought to be confined to an article section on that subtopic.
  • Second, that sentence cites page 15 of this book as a supporting source. I don't have access to a hardcopy, and the book is not previewable via Google books, so I don't know how strongly the book supports the assertion as it is expressed in the article. However, I see that
Re the second point, I'm pretty sure that other sources touching on this exist, and that the sources are not in unanimous agreement that Mohammed unambiguously designated Ali his successor. Given that this is the case, it seems to me that WP:DUE comes into play, and that the article should not assert that there was a clear and unambiguous designation but rather that Shia Muslims believe that there was such a declaration and that other branches of Islam disagree on that point - with sources supporting both views being cited. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:08, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
It should be modified "The Shiʿites maintain that the Prophet designated ʿAlī as his successor by God’s command.[3]" For more explanation there is another article: Succession to Muhammad.--Seyyed(t-c) 04:55, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

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Are all Ismailis Seveners?[edit]

The section on Ismailis is titled "Ismaili ("Sevener")" leading one to believe that the two terms are interchangeable. However, the graphic captioned "Tree of the Shia Islam" suggests that Seveners are just one branch of Ismailism. Which is it? 74.71.78.145 (talk) 00:53, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2016[edit]

Where it says "...law Abu Bakr, not Ali ibn Abi Talib, was his proper successor." simply remove ", not Ali ibn Abi Talib,". it is confusing and unnecessary. Randydspence (talk) 00:45, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:48, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Shia Islam is a "non-islamic religion"?[edit]

The claim, in an article titled "Shia Islam", that Shia is "non-islamic" seems false on its face. Surely, Shia Muslims identify themselves as part of Islam, so where does this notion that it's "non-islamic" come from? Situwannabe (talk) 02:36, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

If a 25 year old man self-identifies as 75 years old, should he be given an old-age pension? If a 12 year old girl self-identifies as 21, should she be allowed to vote, to get married, and to drink in bars?
As far as Wikipedia is concerned, what matters is what mainstream reliable sources say. The view held by religious scholars in Saudi Arabia that Shia are non-Muslims is mainstream there, but fringe everywhere else. See Wikipedia:Fringe theories. I would be delighted if someone were to add a one-paragraph section citing Saudi scholars explaining their point of view. But nobody has done this so far. There is no need to mention this POV in the introduction to the article.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:27, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
That assertion was inserted without support by an anon in this edit and removed about five hours later by this edit. As far as WP is concerned, the opinions of WP editors matter not at all. What matters is the opinions of verifiable reliable sources, and such sources should generally be cited in support of article assertions. If sources have differing points of view (POVs), those differing POVs should be afforded due weight.
If the 25 year old man mentioned above self-identifies as a woman, should his use of the ladies' restroom be accepted? The answer to that question is a matter of POV (at least until required behavior is dictated governmentally, see e.g., Bathroom bill), and the POVs of WP editors about that matter not at all in WP articles. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:54, 16 June 2016 (UTC)