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Fictional Sociopath?[edit]

How is Shinji classified as a sociopath? I never noticed him having or even remotely showing sociopathic characteristics.

I was wondering that myself...if there's any of the main characters that could qualify as sociopathic, it's Asuka. I say remove him from the category if no one objects. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 01:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I think she was under fictional psycho/sociopaths for awhile but someone removed it. I wouldn't say anyone in NGA is (well maybe Shinji's father, but maybe not). Asuka is a narcissist, who's actions ultimately want attention and admiration. Sociopath's actions are ruthless and out of no love except for themselves. On the surface the two disorders seem alike, but the reason behind them is what separates them.
Neither Asuka nor Shinji are sociopaths. Shinji is an Avoidant and Asuka is a Narcissist. This is obvious to anyone familiar with personality disorders. Rei is a Schizoid and Misato is Dependent. Virtually every main character in Evangelion was assigned a personality disorder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by user name (talk) date

Kanji or kana[edit]

I remember that within the first episode or so of Evangelion, there's an identity card where "Ikari Shinji" is written in kana. Not kanji... ~Think the same was with the other characters too. For example the name on his "step-mother's" (forgot the name) door. Andelarion 14:00, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Credits for the same episode list a kanji. --Matharvest 22:16, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The angry youth thing...[edit]

...is not consistent with how all neglected boys act. In fact, a lot of neglected children are terribly submissive. So, it's really not more realistic either way.

IMO, the quiet, withdrawan Shinji in the anime is more interesting, because there aren't as many depictions of this (equally realistic) response to neglect.

Shinji's sexuality[edit]

Rather than engaging in an edit war, I'll just post a possible rewrite of the opening part of this section here and let those interested say what they think:

The series has caused debate over Shinji's sexuality. He is obviously attracted to Asuka, as his attempt to kiss her in her sleep in episode ???, arousal at the onsen in episode ???, and the opening scenes of End of Evangelion show. However, he is unusually open and emotional when around Kaworu, and is apparently much more comfortable around Kaworu than around any of the principal female characters. This has led some viewers to speculate that Shinji is romantically attracted to Kaworu. The series gives no indication that anything sexual happens between the two, but the depiction of Kaworu's and Shinji's interactions gives no clear-cut answers, which has led to many different interpretations, ranging from Shinji being romantically attracted to Kaworu to simply being a heterosexual who engages in a strange type of relationship with Kaworu due to his apparent lack of love from anyone else and Kaworu being an Angel, while others simply consider him bisexual. (rest of paragraph as it is)

Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

RE: latest edit - I'm going to work on this a little; feel free to add to or edit out as necessary. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 12:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Personaly I think he's Bisexual. I mean, he didn't draw back from Kaworu in the bath house but he's attracted to Asuka.

How do you know he's not homosexual? I mean, he can hardly stand to touch Asuka.

He's not Bisexual. He's obviously straight. His relationship with Kaworu was (on his part) platonic and/or brother-like. He is attracted to Asuka and Rei, judging buy his constant effort to get closer to Rei, and the reference to "thermal expansion" in the episode "Magma Driver" in the hot springs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ikari90 (talkcontribs)

Nothing's been definitely established, so this is all pure conjecture. Don't forget to sign your posts. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 05:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
And what about his relationship with Rei? He seems to be more atracted to Rei than to Asuka. Eltitoskate 01:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Trying to pin down Shinji and Rei's relationship is problematic, to say the least. Shinji is more physically attracted to Asuka but is more comfortable around Rei, and Rei's possible connections to Yui add all kinds of complications. The manga is a bit more straightforward, but there's no telling what twists vol. 10 is going to put in. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 06:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay... I've been leaving the Eva articles alone for awhile and I haven't been on for a VERY long time, but I mean... Since when were we supposed to edit based on our OWN opinions. I think the whole discussion about taking out the sexuality discussion on Shinji's page simply because some people don't think there's any doubt that he's straight isn't following our job. We're supposed to include it if a large percent of the fandom believes it, and it is atleast somewhat plausible, which it is, atleast... And that's all fulfilled. Our opinions on the matter hardly matter. So why can't we just put it back in, not as our own opinions, but rather as a statement about the interpretations of the show? I can't see any good reason why it shouldn't be included.

Yalens (talk | contribs) —Preceding comment was added at 01:35, 12 July 2008 (UTC)



Shinji is bisexual. He is attracted to Asuka, but he was attrached to Kaworu as well. manga, chapter 75 page 2 shinji said: " I was... attracted to him. Before i knew it.. somewhere deep in my heart.. even thought, i knew i shoulnd't like a guy like that." in anime, he said: "Kaworu said that he loved me. It was... It was the first time someone told me they loved me. He was like me, and like Ayanami. I loved him too.." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.221.165.197 (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

No. No. Fucking no. Bring a source back or don't come back at all. --Tarage (talk) 06:57, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Your response to someone citing a source is to demand a source? Huh? Volume 11, Chapter 75, Page 120 (the chapter's second page), Shinji flat out says it; and that's not just a fan translation of something, that's the Gainax backed english translation. You want that in MLA? Sure, here:
Sadamoto, Yoshiyuki. "Stage 75: Broken Heart." Neon Genesis Evangelion. Vol. 11. Trans. Honma, June. San Fransisco: Viz, 2008. 120. Print.
I get it, Evangelion rarely uses explicit statements. Shinji's sexuality is handled with plenty of ambiguity, words like straight, gay, and bisexual are never said in the story. You don't want to base the article on fan conjecture. But this is an explicit statement in a official source. Shinji was attracted to Kawrou. That warrants at least acknowledgment in the article and inclusion in the category of LGBT characters in animation. If you want to debate if the manga should constitute cannon, or how this is addressed in the article, that's fine. But this, from what I understand canon, source states that he was attracted to Kawrou, which qualifies a mention. I'm going to wait a week or two before actually making these edits because I want to give people time to respond, I really don't want to start an edit war. But unless you can find a source that voids the officialness of this source, or get someone who outranks us it the wikipedia hierarchy to intervene I'll edit the article to include this source and the information it brings with it. --This.Is.An.Enigma (contribs) 06:20, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
It's synthesis. For one thing, Karou isn't even a human being in the first place. There is no canon source that flat out states that "Shinji is Bisexual". Period. The point of Shinji's interactions with Karou is he likes Karou. There is no other male member of the series he shows even the remotest attraction to. If we're going to use the anime and manga to cite things, then I can cite the episode where Kaji offers Shinji a drink and Shinji responds "I'm a boy." If you want to claim Shinji likes/loves/is attracted to Karou, that's fine, but anything beyond that is synthesis unless you have an official source stating otherwise. And you and I both know you don't. I'm also not a fan of these useless and overly abused categories. I've removed quite a number from pages like this. --Tarage (talk) 00:10, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure what more proof you want. In End of Evangelion, Misato explicitly states that humans are "the eighteenth angel" which means that Kaworu, also being an angel, is still the same species as Shinji. Furthermore, aside from the repeated mentions of it by Carl Gustav Horn, the writer of the English version of the manga (who includes his letters inside the volumes of the manga themselves), there is also the quote from Shinji at the end of Episode 24 of the anime. In English, it goes: "Kaworu said...he loved me. I liked him, too." While he does not say love, the quote still most definitely signifies a level of attraction. Going back into End of Evangelion, let's analyse the scene where Lilith rises up to face the crucified Unit 01. When Lilith takes the appearance of Rei, Shinji reacts by screaming and struggling against what is happening to him. However, when Lilith changes into the form of Kaworu, even though it's only for a couple mintues, and asks "is this better?" Shinji responds with "Have you been right there...the entire time?" He then smiles and submits to being used to start Instrumentality. Again, this only happens after seeing Kaworu again. Obviously Shinji is still conflicted, since he never has a fantasy about Kaworu in the same way he has one about Asuka, Rei, or Misato. He also rebukes Kaji's joking advances (the "I'm a boy" line also references that he's a minor while Kaji is a grown man) and has the "Guys don't like guys!" line in the manga, but this latter bit is most definitely contradicted in Chapter 75 of the manga when he explicitly talks about how he was attracted to Kaworu after all - suggesting denial on his part as he sorted out his feelings. As for the Kaji line, there is a moment in Episode 25 of the anime, where she comes onto Shinji in bed and he says "Stop! Misato, please don't do this." Of course, due to the confusing nature of the episode, and it being established that this is coming either from his mind, or hers, or a combination of both, this is not the best evidence, it certainly is worth noting that while he may fantasize about Misato, and Misato may kiss him and promise to do "the rest" (said in End of Evangelion as she's dying and trying to motivate him into Unit 01 no less), there is still the conscious factor that a sexual relationship between them is wrong and would not happen. Taken with the "I'm a boy" line to Kaji, it's my conclusion to say that Shinji would not actually have a sexual relationship with any adult, no matter what his sexuality or feelings towards them actually is. So any evidence for or against his bisexuality using either Kaji or Misato's actions as a reference should be looked at with scrutiny.Phoenix Apollo (talk) 18:01, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
And I disagree. The quote specifically says 'like'. You are using synthesis to imply your own meaning. There are no official sources that specifically state the sexuality of Shinji Ikari. If there were, you would have cited one by now, instead of posting paragraphs of synthesized materials. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an opinion repository. This argument is pointless until you cite sources and stop trying to synthesize things. Again, I'm willing to compromise and agree that he did like Karou, but considering he is a creature that isn't even the same species as he is, it cannot be used to judge his sexuality. In no other instance, anime, manga, or otherwise, does he show any indication of liking any males in a sexual or romantic manner. --Tarage (talk) 04:48, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
"While I do think Shinji felt sexually attracted to Kaworu, and that you the audience are supposed to feel that he felt it, what Kaworu himself thought was a very different matter..." that is Carl Gustav Horn's take on the matter at the end of the English translation of volume 10 of the manga. Of course, that is synthesis of his part, but even if he just did the English adaptation, his words do hold some value. The more interesting discussion is of whether or not Kaworu is really gay, but that's not for this topic. He most definitely liked Kaworu. Now, I gave you sources that showed you that Shinji and Kaworu are of the same species. Again, in End of Evangelion, Misato remarks how humanity is "the 18th Angel." Kaworu is the 17th. Since Shinji is a human, and humans are angels, Shinji is then an angel. And Kaworu is an angel. Thus, they are both angels and of the same species. These are all facts. To talk about why Shinji isn't attracted to any other male in the series would slip into pure conjecture and synthesis. Either way though, since we are "supposed to feel" the attraction Shinji had for Kaworu, and Shinji is attracted to Asuka, Rei and Misato as well, this shows he his not straight. He likes more than just women. That is fact.Phoenix Apollo (talk) 01:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Ugh. If you really want to talk about Evangelion, at least have your facts straight. Official sources have stated that the "18th angel" thing is a mistranslation. Humanity are lilin, spawn of Lilith. The angels are spawn of Adam. While both were created by FAR, they are so different that they can be considered separate species. Adam came White Moon while Lilith Black Moon. This whole "If X then Y" bullshit you are doing is text book synthesis, and incorrect synthesis at that. Look, if you want to educate yourself so you don't continue to spout incorrect facts, please check out one of the better wikis about Evangelion, staffed by people who have scoured over every official release about Evangelion that has come from Japan. Here's a starting point for you about FAR, something I doubt you have any knowledge about: http://wiki.evageeks.org/First_Ancestral_Race . In fact, if you take a gander at their Shinji article, you'll notice the words "gay" and "homosexual" never come up. And while the wiki itself cannot be used as a source for obvious reasons, the things it does cite can be. Again, stating that Shinji is homosexual or bisexual without a direct source stating such is synthesis, and I do not feel that an interpretation from a translator on a secondary media(manga is not the anime) is enough to tip the scales for inclusion. We can argue this till we are both blue in the face, but unless you have a source, it should not and will not be included in this article. We already have enough category bloat on Wikipedia and I will not stand by and let it increase. --Tarage (talk) 11:15, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
The references for FAR in the wiki you've provided also mention how FAR isn't exactly canonical. Even though they were planned from the beginning, they weren't explicitly mentioned until after the series aired. In materials that were either revealing the early ideas of the project, like the Proposal, or in the video games. If you want to disregard the manga (even though Horn was referring to the anime in the quote I provided), then these materials need to be disregarded as well. Although the status of the manga being secondary is questionable, considering it started before the anime began, I'll gladly take it about the equation. My question, though, is can there be a definitive answer? Not counting the manga, there are still the different interpretations of Shinji and Kaowru between the anime and Rebuild series. Unless you want to not include the Rebuilds, which then leaves us with only the original series, and comments made about the series as it stands. Like I've said before, there's far more of a case to be made about Kaworu not being gay, but that does not mean that he was not in a relationship of some sort with Shinji.Phoenix Apollo (talk) 05:22, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
When in doubt, do not add. If there are no reliable sources stating something, don't state it. Wikipedia is based on what reliable sources report, not on what people speculate. Are we finished now? --Tarage (talk) 05:47, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

The Episode 24 Filmbook clears up a lot of issues with the English translation of Shinji and Kaworu's talk that create ambiguity. Most notably because in Japanese Kaworu uses explicitly romantic language ("I was born to meet [逢 for "meet" has romantic connotation] you") towards Shinji. Parano is an official anthology containing interviews and background info from Anno with a big focus on Evangelion. Here is a page from the book : http://darkslover.tumblr.com/post/56047679779/most-probably-this-is-already-well-known-but

The definition of "Angel" is very loose and technically, Kaworu is no different than Rei in this regard and no one argues if she is capable of love.

The JUNE magazine Anno interview released after episode 24 had these excerpts:

Anno: Satsukawa-san is right on the mark when it comes to homoeroticism.

Interviewer: Did you stop Satsukawa-san when it looked like he was going to go berserk, Director Anno?

Anno: No, nothing like that.

Anno ADMITS that Kaworu and Shinji are homoerotic. Kaworu and Shinji do not have a canon romantic relationship, but it's pretty damn clear what they intended for the audience to see. Shinji was in love with Kaworu, but physically attracted to Asuka and to a degree other women in the series, but I think his most significant relationship is with Asuka Anyways, even if you disagree, this is understood in Japan. I think it's almost an in-joke now that Kaworu and Shinji are together.

Tumblr is not a proper citation. Anyone can post anything there. You'll have to do better than that. No citation, no inclusion, period. --Tarage (talk) 00:51, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

If you want a citation, it's (Evangelion : Hideaki Anno : Parano) 庵野秀明 パラノ・エヴァンゲリオン And as for the quote (シンジにとっては初めてのこの心を許せる友人であり、同性愛的な恋愛対象でもあった), it translates to "For Shinji, Kaworu was the first friend who he could confide in and his first same-sex romantic interest." 2601:343:8101:3597:BDCB:18AE:6C5F:9951 (talk) 04:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm not buying this. For one thing, I don't see an official translation of the material anywhere. I'm willing to admit more investigation needs to take place, but short of finding someone to scan and translate said section, I'm still against it's inclusion, given the fact that no other sources appear to mention this or confirm it. One would think something so important would be printed in multiple sources. --Tarage (talk) 00:56, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

There's virtually no reason to doubt this inclusion at all. One would think that given how Anno trusts his fanbase to not be complete idiots (as in, needing to be spoonfed what was intended to be obvious), they would realize that the Shinji/Kaworu relationship was anything but platonic. But then again some people are so deluded that they ignore heapings of evidence that point to Shinji's interest in Kaworu being anything more than just platonic. There's plenty more evidence: here and here as well if you really doubt that I'm presenting you with accurate information. You can have it double-checked by another Japanese speaker. But if those aren't enough for you, I'm planning on buying the Parano book anyway so I'll just scan that whenever I get it. 2601:343:8101:3597:3DAA:19D2:75F2:357 (talk) 07:33, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Insults will get you nowhere. Your arguments are synthesis and using material that does not conform to Wikipedia's reliable source standards. Until you can provide such, this argument is closed. --Tarage (talk) 10:05, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm back, this time with pictures: http://imgur.com/a/CvAyp#2kWlaa0. As you can see, I've bought the entire interview book. And, if these pictures are not satisfying/do not conform to Wikipedia's reliable source standards then I would be very happy to take some more or scan them. It says, quite plain and simply: 渚カヲル:ゼールが送り込んできた五番目のエヴァ操縦者。シンジにとっては初めての心を許せる友人でもあり、同性愛的な恋愛対象でもあった。しかしその正体は「使徒」であり、ネルフの地下に安置される第一使徒アダムと融合してサードインパクトを起こそうとする。シンジは苦悩の果てに、エヴァ初号機でこの最愛の友を殺す。("Kaworu: The 5th child sent in by SEELE. To Shinji he was both the first friend he could trust and also his gay love interest. However, his true form is that of an angel and he tries to cause the Third Impact by fusing with the First Angel Adam enshrined underneath Nerv. Shinji, at the pinnacle of anguish, kills his beloved friend.") And in this case, beloved (最愛)is literally a compound word formed by 最 (the most) and 愛 (love). This is an utterly explicit confirmation that the Kaworu/Shinji relationship was, indeed, intended to be romantic. You were saying something earlier about how you felt something this important would be printed in more than one source, but it seems rather clear to me that there is absolutely no need to. This was from the start intended to be a gay relationship (this is from 1997, way before the Rebuild, so the whole "Rebuild is fujoshi-pandering" argument is moot) and is one of just a heap of examples where fandom refuses to bat a single eyelash at heaps of evidence for queer relationships, demanding explicit confirmation of the nature of the character's interactions and engaging in "straight until proven otherwise"-type politics. But there you have it, the central piece of evidence in my argument that Shinji and Kaworu's relationship was anything but platonic. Thank you. 65.112.10.202 (talk) 04:35, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

That's some great synthesis right there. Look, for one thing, the quote you have there need to be verified by a third party for it's accuracy, as translating from one language to another can be very tricky. Likewise, the quote there still doesn't explicitly state anything about Shinji's sexuality, only that he was forced to kill a beloved friend. Even using the super literal "most love(d) friend" can be taken multiple ways. However, to do due diligence, I took a gander at the Japanese wiki to see if perhaps we were missing something that was strongly cited. Sadly, no such luck, as they have no reference to anything of the sort. Again, much can be said about Karou, but there just isn't enough evidence to say that for Shinji. Any statement of the sort requires strong synthesis. Perhaps this is why 'the fandom' refuses to support it's inclusion. Sorry, I'm still against it being included. --Tarage (talk) 09:18, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm not saying that this is Anno saying explicitly Shinji is canonically bisexual, though I'll try and read through the book to make sure I don't miss anything important. What I am saying is that their relationship (and most importantly, Shinji's love) for Kaworu is not platonic, which I think definitely has enough evidence behind it at this point for inclusion. The KawoShin relationship and Shinji being forced to kill him together are very important situations plot-wise and also for Shinji's character. And sure, I understand the need for a third party to double-check the Japanese for accuracy because there's no way to know my credentials or the validity of my translation. All that about the fandom was not in reference to Shinji's sexuality specifically, but the fact that he did love Kaworu in a non-platonic way. It's acceptable for the fandom to have their opinions about what Shinji's sexuality is, even if it is canon that he fell for a boy. But with this interview that makes it explicitly clear, I think the whole "Kaworu/Shinji is platonic, stop trying to make two male friends into lovers" opinion that is widespread in fandom needs to be shot down. 65.112.10.202 (talk) 14:20, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

"Even though the vast majority of people and sources disagree with me, the ones I cherry pick that agree with me are all we should listen to." We're done here. --Tarage (talk) 22:41, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for making it seem like all I've brought you are fan interpretations. It's a little more like: "Even though a lot of people (read: not a vast majority, I'm not sure where you got that from) have opinions about this relationship that differ from mine, the major source I bring with me that comes directly and explicitly from the director confirms that this isn't platonic." Tumblr is not an adequate source you say, then proceed to throw an interview with the creator of the series where he confirms exactly what I'm saying to the side. I don't see any credible sources that say Shinji's feelings toward Kaworu are platonic, so I don't even know what you're talking about. But nice job pretending to seem impartial and like you're after the truth of the matter. I mean, it's not like Anno said Kaworu is Shinji's gay love interest. Oh, wait... 65.112.10.203 (talk) 02:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Uh... I have an official file of the script of episode 24 of Neon Genesis Evangelion. http://www.animanga.com/scripts/textesgb/eva24.html It was translated by a Japanese man that worked on the TV show Kentaro Onizuka. In it and I quote Shinji says "Kaoru-kun, said I love you. To me! For the first time, for the first time I heard the words. He looks like me. He looks like Ayanami. I loved him." It states his obvious romantic attaraction to Kaoru and does imply a level of bisexuality. IceBrotherhood (talk) 12:46, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

The thing about translations is 'literal' translations can be wrong. Either way, I still don't see that as a reliable source. --Tarage (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Just in case you happened to miss the link above that I posted several months ago, here is the the photoset that I took of the author's interview book Paranoia: http://imgur.com/a/CvAyp#2kWlaa0 In it, it clearly states that Shinji experiences "homosexual attraction" to Kaworu, his most beloved friend. There in the bottom right corner of page 0107, you can see the exact Japanese text that I copied up above. In particular, you'll find that the series of Japanese characters (同性愛的な恋愛対象, "homosexual love interest") even when placed into the unreliable Google Translate tool (http://i.imgur.com/hrHjcpH.jpg), will provide the same result as my translation. Ignoring the fact that Shinji is romantically/sexually attracted to Kaworu in spite of the evidence amounts to nothing more than prejudice... 65.112.10.202 (talk) 00:05, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Again, your photos of a book are not a reliable source. Period. --Tarage (talk) 23:27, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
Can you explain again what makes the interview book in which Anno explains the relationship between Shinji and Kaworu as romantic/sexual not a reliable source? 65.112.10.201 (talk) 22:28, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
It's not my job to explain how reliable sources work to you. Re-read what I wrote. --Tarage (talk) 00:37, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
I just wanted to say that yes, there isn't any evidence in the show that supports Shinji's bisexuality. There are plenty, plenty of shots showing he is attracted sexually to women especially in End of Evangelion while there are none for men, Kaworu. Shinji was never sexually attracted to Kaworu, as the Director also stated in the interview. The "homoerotic" aspect was nothing but a form of aesthetic (two naked boys together). Nothing's homophobic in stating facts. Thank you, Tarage for your patience.83.31.80.167 (talk) 11:54, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Where are your evidences? Why didn't you cite that interview? Otherwise, your words would only ring hollow. Because there are many official sources from Anno himself about Shinji and Kaworu's relationship, some of which have been provided above, in case you're too oblivious to them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.6.7.37 (talk) 08:25, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
As you requested: "Interviewer:Speaking about the blushing, is it because Shinji was happy that someone said they like him? Anno: Yes, Shinji-kun really didn't experience carnal desire there *laugh*." Shinji wasn't sexually attracted to Kaworu which contrasts to his sexual intentions towards women. The source you mentioned could've been written by anyone and in sake of pandering to concreted viewers. It's not that hard to follow the actual show.79.185.203.165 (talk) 12:22, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
The same thing can be said about you. Provide the link and the raw form of the quote or don't talk at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.6.7.37 (talk) 13:37, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
This is from the exact same interview from which people got the "Anno said it was homoerotic" i'm sorry i haven't got it but i do think it's easy to find. If Shinji was actually bisexual people wouldn't need to prove it with some back material. In the anime there were shown his sexual fantazies(EoE)and there wasn't Kaworu.(he was at the end of instrumentality and clothed, contrasting to Shinji's and Rei's lovers position) 83.31.77.133 (talk) 17:07, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I need to remind everyone again that, unless it's explicitly said in a reliable source (IE something not fan-translated from Japanese), then we don't say it. Synthesis from watching the anime doesn't count. We can argue this till we're blue in the face but in the end of the day, that's all that matters. --Tarage (talk) 19:09, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
As much as I disagree with you, Tarage, at least you're willing to recognize that Shinji may be attracted to Kaworu. But I agree that synthesis of anime scene is somewhat less reliable compared to explicit statements by the characters, voice actors and/or the creators. So my point is, I don't care whether you folks think Shinji is bisexual or not, just don't try to force YOUR opinion on me and anyone. Let people decide for themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.6.7.37 (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
The Schizo/Parano source is not actually from Anno but rather the interviewer's own notes. The problem with those "official sources" is that most of the time information is not written by the show's actual creators, but by independent people. You'll see contradicting statements in official sources such as the Evangelion Chronicle Encyclopedia which says Shinji has "favourable feelings" towards Kaoru, the same as Rei, yet towards Asuka he has has "love/hate" and "complicated feelings". Or the trading cards which put Asuka as "the one he wished for"or the Kaworu book which has an quiz where "lover" and "husband" is a possible option but "friend" is the correct one, or the EoE filmbook which states Rei wanted to be with him, etc. http://forum.evageeks.org/post/637739/Books-Shizo-Parano/#637739 2804:14D:4CDC:8654:D820:E1D4:5CDB:681F (talk) 23:49, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
The voice actor's opinions are also mostly useless except for when it comes to details regarding production or how they made their actual performances. The voice actors have gone on record defending theories like that Asuka is pregnant at the end of EoE and that she's a fusion of herself with Rei and Misato. Rei's voice actor believes Rei is attracted to Gendo, Asuka's voice actor believes Shinji will end up with Mari. Shinji's voice actor couldn't for the life of her understand why Shinji would run away again in Episode 19. If you have ever seen *any* opinions by actors and voice actors you'll see that 90% of them they are at a complete loss about the story of whatever they're working on. They're just doing their job, and that job is not as a creator, writer, screenwriter, editor, or even producer.2804:14D:4CDC:8654:D820:E1D4:5CDB:681F (talk) 00:08, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Tiny, perhaps unnecessary, edit[edit]

I was confused by "Come! Ikari Gendo" as the reading of the note given to Shinji, I read it as meaning "Come, Ikari Gendo!" instead of "Come! [signed] Ikari Gendo". I changed "Come! Ikari Gendo" to "Come! -Ikari Gendo" in the first paragraph in an attempt to dispel any confusion. Desire Campbell 24.222.232.225 09:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Shinji's character[edit]

I took a stab at a broad edit/reshuffle of the content in the section on Shinji's character, but it still needs some work. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 16:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Jesus Yamato?[edit]

Alright, as hilarious as that is, I'm gonna have to demand proof on that statement So, can anyone around here read moonspeak and have a copy of SRW @3 on them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.153.191 (talkcontribs) 19:19, 23 May 2007

It's just a poorly written sentence about something that might not belong here in the first place. "Jesus Yamato" is not an official name and as far as I am aware has not been used in any anime or videogame in reference to Kira Yamato; it's merely a derogatory nickname applied by fans. Whoever wrote that was observing that Shinji, a widely disliked character from an anime with heavy religious themes, insulted Kira, another widely disliked character who fans derisively refer to as "Jesus". In other words, he was drawing a parallel between Evangelion's religious themes and Kira being unofficially nicknamed "Jesus". It's most likely a coincidence - I don't think the term "Jesus Yamato" even EXISTS in Japan, as it's a 4chan creation. Because of that, I don't really think it's worth putting here, but I'll leave it for someone who knows Wikipedia better than me. 146.201.132.62 (talk) 23:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
If it's a 4chan-ism, it probably needs to be removed unless someone can find a printed source that uses it. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Shinji-Asuka relationship[edit]

The paragraph on Shinji's interactions with Asuka states: "It is later revealed that these seeming "taunts" are actually a desperate attempt on her part to make Shinji become receptive to her."

Revealed when? Is it explicitly revealed is this just a sourceless possible interpretation of Asuka's behavior? If it's the latter, the statement either needs to be removed or qualified with weasel words as a theory. Radioactive afikomen (talk · contribs)

I think this is derived from her overall behavior in the series and the material in the "Director's Cut" of Episode 21(?), with the "You won't even hold me!" comment that was added into the scenes where Arael is giving her psyche a dry squeegee. The entire section needs to be rewritten, or at the very least de-weaseled; I'm going to try to get to this sometime this week if I have time and can remember to do it. If you want to hit the section with the weasel words template, go for it. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 19:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I've done some rewriting on this section in both Shinji and Asuka's articles. How does everything look? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 05:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Per the information that's been added about volume 11 of the manga, for those of us who haven't read it yet because it's not in print in the States yet...does Shinji say "loves" or "knows", per the last edit? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Willbyr, have I ever mentioned that Bochan on the Eva ML quite competently translates all the Stages? For Stage 75's translation (see here), Bochan translates the sentences as "Make fun of me! Curse at me! Boss me around! This isn't like you, Asuka! The Asuka I want to protect isn't this empty shell!!" Doesn't seem to mention 'know' or 'love'. --Gwern (contribs) 03:52 29 July 2007 (GMT)
Hmmm...no, it doesn't. Thing is, until the volume is actually released in English, all the people seeing the articles are getting is a fan translation, which may be 100% on the money but isn't an "official" translation. Because of that, I'm almost tempted to strike the mentions of the material in volume 11 from the articles that it appears in. What do you think? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
No point in just avoiding Bochan's translations (we depend on her translations in a number of articles for things that have no translation, and she really is quite good), but I think we should just reword to avoid using love or know. To me, it seems clear that he means something along the lines of love (why else would he want to protect her? Out of the pure altruistic goodness of his heart?), but I guess it's not so obvious to others. --Gwern (contribs) 15:17 29 July 2007 (GMT)

Image from trailer[edit]

I culled the image from the article because, to my knowledge, Gainax has not officially leaked the trailer for Eva 1.0 to YouTube (or if they have, an official source for the info hasn't been found yet), which sets up a potential copyright violation if anything from the trailer is used in Wikipedia. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 13:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

You may as well put the picture back. What difference does it make f the thing hasn't been "officially" leaked? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.113.61.147 (talk) 16:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Reputation[edit]

Could someone with a more deep knowledge of anime culture than my own please write a section about the fact that many anime fans seem to actively hate him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.118.1 (talk) 02:25, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

S2 Organ/Berserk Theory[edit]

I keep hearing that Shinji has an S2 Organ in his body where his appendix should be. Is this true or not. Please just give a straight yes or no. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.113.61.147 (talk) 16:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard that before. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 17:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Where the hell did you get that theory from? Anyway, it's not true. --75.135.82.7 (talk) 02:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, I've heard the theory that he goes berserk like an Evangelion.24.31.106.165 (talk) 03:01, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

shinji auska=[edit]

at the end of the article it say Shinji strangles Auska in the end of "End of Evangelion" but the female isnt Auska but a collaboration of the ideal of the female in Shijis mind. The female is a mixture of Auska, Rei and Misato in one form Auska has blue eyes while the female at the end has brown eyes and the brilliance of her hair turn from bright strong red to more of a brown-red ,She has the bandages in the same position that Rei had them in episode one, lol and im to tired to remember the aspect of Misato, lol any way maybe someone could look into it for me cause i dont know how to change stuff and couldn't be bothered trying lol anyway well if anyone dose lol thank you hahah anyway i just thought id but in my two cents ok kool peace and love to all love Miko 121.210.246.36 (talk) 12:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC) Miko 121.210.246.36 (talk) 12:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that theory's been conclusively disproven; see The End of Evangelion. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 16:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Verly, that theory has been conclusively disproven for years; the idea is that Asuka's eye only appears red...because of glare from the giant red Sea of LCL she's sitting next to. You see they animate an animation cell frame in different stages; sometimes they sell incomplete parts of animation sells as collectors' items; i.e. a pic of just Shinji with no background animation, etc. Anyway, they did release an animation cel of Asuka in this final scene....and her eye is entirely blue, like normal. That means that when the separate team of background animation guys came in, they shaded it to match the environment. It doesn't help that the Commentary of Doom (the End of Eva english dub commentary track) mentioned this rumor, spreading it more than it merited. I would point out that even Tiffany Grant, English voice of Asuka, speaking at AnimeBoston 2003, while she had no knowledge of the animation cell evidence, was able to just accurately surmise on her own that it was probably just environmental shading; she doesn't think the Conglomerate Asuka theory has any credit either.
Just out of curiousity....where did you hear the Conglomerate Asuka theory? "I read it on Some Guy's [TM] website, so it has to be true?". Or like so many, were you misinformed by the DVD commentary? Btw, Asuka's bandages correspond not to Rei, but to the injuries she sustained in the MP Eva fight. (they're similar, but that's a coincidence)--Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici (talk) 18:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
The shading can easily be spotted on Asuka's plugsuit. The normally blue parts are of the same light "grey" as her eyes.Folken de Fanel (talk) 15:46, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Bismark[edit]

As a curious thing, Shinji shares the same name with the hero of Sei Jūshi Bismark, (Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs) except for the notation Shinji Hikari.

Considered that the director of the latter is quoted as Masami Anno, that's interesting odds.

If anyone that knows anything about that could put it into the page, could be pretty interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.65.207.222 (talk) 17:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

His first name "Shinji" was named after Anno's friend and also a storyboard artist Shinji Higuchi. (Quoted from Japanese Wikipedia article of Shinji Ikari. The article also mentions that the original source is Anno's website.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Warabi (talkcontribs) 23:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Shinji Ikari[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Shinji Ikari's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "What-were-we-making":

  • From Neon Genesis Evangelion (anime): Sadamoto, Yoshiyuki (1998) [1995]. "What were we trying to make here?". Neon Genesis Evangelion, Vol. 1. Essay by Hideaki Anno; translated by Mari Morimoto, English adaptation by Fred Burke. San Francisco: VIZ Media LLC. pp. 170–171. ISBN 1-56931-294-X. Unknown parameter |origmonth= ignored (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
  • From Neon Genesis Evangelion franchise: Anno, Hideaki (1998) [1995]. "What were we trying to make here?". Neon Genesis Evangelion, Vol. 1. translated by Mari Morimoto, English adaptation by Fred Burke. San Francisco: VIZ Media LLC. pp. 170–171. ISBN 1-56931-294-X. Unknown parameter |origmonth= ignored (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 23:33, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Article re-assessed[edit]

I've reassessed this article as Start-class, but I think it could go back up in class if some of the major issues are taken care of, namely:

  • Original research - There is quite a bit of original synthesis, which is quite unnecessary, there are quite a few essays on the series that talk about Shinji.
  • Organization - A lot of this is in-universe content, and the first half of the article contains categories that really don't need to be engaged in such depth. Take a look at [the manual of style] to see how this should be presented (note that the MOS takes a real-world frame of references),
  • In-Universe plot summary - I already mentioned this, but please note WP:PLOT. Some explanation of the character's role in the plot is necessary, but it's not necessary to include most every facet of this character's activity in the plot.

Take care of these and the article can probably go up in rating. It's already quite substantial. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 12:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't we include details of Shinji's appearance in the last two episodes of Evangelion?[edit]

The section on Shinji's appearance in Evangelion does not include his appearance in the last two episodes,instead, it stops at Kaworu's death and lets the End of Evangelion (which is an alternate ending to NGE) section finish the story for the viewers.Gonzales John (talk) 02:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

According to multiple sources, the last two episode of Evangelion and End of Evangelion take place at the same time. It's not an alternative ending, it's the same ending. --Tarage (talk) 03:20, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
http://www.evamonkey.com/platinum-booklets/the-two-endings.php83.31.80.167 (talk) 21:31, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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Reception is undue weight[edit]

So, for some reason the reception about Shinji's characterization in a manga spin-off and mentions by other people developing anime and films are not allowed here per WP:Undue weight. The reception section isn't even big. It needs further expansion and covers the character's analysis and popularity in general. The fact that developers of Guilty Crown and that movie further help to expand how popular Shinji is. Another area that might expand the reception is his relationship with Kaworu Nagisa whose reception section is even bigger due to all the views of how he is interpreted. See Allen Walker or Yu Kanda whose series is less wellknown yet there is coverage about a lot of areas about him. Reception isn't undue weight.Tintor2 (talk) 02:52, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

  • Support per Tintor2's reasoning. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:09, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
  • While I do agree it is important to emphasize just how big of an Impact (hehe) Shinji has had on anime and many other pieces of media, I feel it would be better to provide extra examples (I think the Ender's Game example is relevant) of that influence instead of examples from spin-offs, of which there is a multitude, and mentioning Campus Apocalypse begs the question of whether to also include other, even more popular-spinoffs like Angelic Days, ANIMA or Raising Project. Perhaps something as simple as "his personality varies significantly in licensed spin-offs" would have been better. 2804:14D:4CDC:8654:D820:E1D4:5CDB:681F (talk) 23:19, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Every significant analysis in regards to relationships is actually useful to every article. For example, rivalries, friendships and love interests are all relevant if critics analyze it. It's not that Shinji's personality and role in the story is the only thing relevant for the character. Imagine writing a Spiderman article without mentions of Mary Jane. It would mean the article lacks coverage.Tintor2 (talk) 23:25, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
I don't disagree, but his relationship with Kaworu is about as relevant as his relationship with Asuka, Rei, or Misato (and for what it's worth has much less screentime and slightly less representation in subsequent merchandising, games and spin-offs), those are all briefly mentioned within the series and movies summaries, and I feel a larger explanation might be better placed in those character's own pages, as to give them an appropriate treatment would require writing three paragraphs or so for each one of them. In Asuka's case, I feel this is sufficiently addressed in other non-dedicated sections though in Rei's case it could probably be expanded. 2804:14D:4CDC:8654:D820:E1D4:5CDB:681F (talk) 23:27, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Yet the most discussed relationship within Wikipedia articles is the one he was with Kaworu both in episode 24 and the third rebuild movie. All notable relationships should be included but there is no need to make them too long if there is a general consensus. See the FA Naruto Uzumaki. His most explored relationships are Sasuke, Hinata and Boruto which made the article become a FA. Summaries are not reception. They should be reviews from critics. Even visual novel characters have this effect. For example Shirou Emiya is defined by his love interests from Fate as well as other close people. Same with Saber (Fate/stay Night) who is linked with both Kiritsugu and Shirou.Tintor2 (talk) 01:16, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
It wasn't the case some time ago when it was about as big as all the other ones as the expansion it had is fairly recent. Which is only natural, considering his role in the latest and most commercially successful new movie is gonna generate some momentum and interest on his character (as well as the fact that, unlike Kaworu, Asuka or Rei or Misato's characters are less ad hoc and revolve around a lot more than how they relate to Shinji thus giving too much detail to their relationship dynamics seems ill-advised), yet this is far from being the case in the EvaGeeks wiki or the Evangelion wikia or other popular places like Reddit, despite the obvious commercial appeal used by Gainax/Khara, which they use even more for Rei and Asuka, as yuri sells. All it takes is someone interested to put that in. Hell, Kaworu's reception section is probably the smallest it's been in a few years if you look at the page history and realize how many people thought it was a good idea to provide unsourced Tumblr speculation based on visual novels (with let Shinji date even Hikari). Again, the relationships with other characters are sufficiently explored in the other articles, unless you want to add some stuff by commentators like https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2002-06-11, but I don't think it's truly necessary as they're sufficiently covered in the other characters' own pages. Partly because Eva is not a romance or slice of life anime, Shinji's reception is far more dependent on his effect on subsequent anime and how he plays to Eva's themes than his relationships alone as you can verify on a number of receptions to his character including those quoted on this page, specially if you consider that the Rebuilds are far more Shinji-centric than the series which gave more autonomy to side characters, and considering Shinji and Wikipedia's own notability rules, I think we should probably follow those trends and not concern ourselves with excessive detail. But you know what, I'll edit in that article as I have seen it being referenced to often in lots of places and it is indeed a noteworthy piece of reception to Shinji's character and Eva as a whole.2804:14D:4CDC:8654:D820:E1D4:5CDB:681F (talk) 01:41, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I added in a few excerpts from that article. I think it particularly helps that it has some great exposés on how his relationships with others are are used to explore the show's themes. I think that adds some sufficient new detail about his character and how he relates to the show without going into undue weight. Besides, that article is also used in other Eva-related articles. 2804:14D:4CDC:8654:D820:E1D4:5CDB:681F (talk) 01:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
That part was removed by some other anon (lol) who claims it is an unreliable source. I think you can agree it is a noteworthy piece of reception (as it was good enough for the Kaworu article), so it's not necessary for it to be authoritative but rather a relevant piece of opinion. 2804:14D:4CDC:8654:D820:E1D4:5CDB:681F (talk) 02:05, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
any attempt to shoehorn in shinji/karou nonsense will be reverted as it is synthesis — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.35.95.24 (talk) 02:11, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
I'll agree some people seem to think Wikipedia is a shipping wiki, but it's not like he can't be mentioned at all as he does have a relevant role in the story. I do think the article is good enough for now, though. 2804:14D:4CDC:8654:D820:E1D4:5CDB:681F (talk) 02:16, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
i just removed a heaping hellpile of fancruft from kawrous article tintor2 please dont use tumblr as a source again — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.35.95.24 (talk) 02:22, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

End of Evangelion summary[edit]

The film only lasts 85 minutes yet the summary explains every single thing that happens to Shinji in the movie. How is that necessary?Tintor2 (talk) 22:32, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

  • Hello, I'm the anon. Yes the film is relatively short, but it is very dense and I think it's important to emphasize crucial aspects of his character throughout the movie. I've trimmed it down from my first edit (twice now) as I understand some details are unnecessary in Wikipedia, and now it's roughly as big as the series and Rebuild sections, which has been trimmed down also. I hope this is enough. 2804:14D:4CDC:8654:D820:E1D4:5CDB:681F (talk) 23:02, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
By the way, the current summary feels quite biased based on the informal tone used.Tintor2 (talk) 01:19, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
You're right, I'll take a look at that.::: 2804:14D:4CDC:8654:D820:E1D4:5CDB:681F (talk) 01:45, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
You might have noticed that the old summary wasn't written by me and it's not only my additions that might sound too informal. I'll give that a general makeover to make it sound more encyclopedic, I guess.2804:14D:4CDC:8654:D820:E1D4:5CDB:681F (talk) 01:58, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Listing Anno as creator[edit]

I think we should probably cite both Hideaki Anno and Sadamoto after him as creators, since Sadamoto is the character designer, but not the actual creator, writer, director. Many sources detail how he had some input in the creation process (particularly for visual aspects, of course), but he had no input later in actually writing the series. Some people believe he's the original creator because the manga was initially released before the series, however it was initially intended only as a promotional material for the series (which in turn had its initial released delayed), and evolved into its own story years later, after End of Evangelion was finished, since the release schedule was quite lethargic. I've noticed the Gendo page cites Anno, the Rei page doesn't cite Gainax, etc. So we should probably standardize those pages. If anyone objects, please note so here. FelipeFritschF (talk) 02:27, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism after the Netflix release[edit]

The Netflix release and its revised localization has attracted the ire of some Evangelion fans that are unhappy with the changes. I have already seen a couple of vandal edits, not adding anything besides meaningless synthetic edits like "Kaworu showed up and loved him so much". Wikipedia is not a place for shipping, and I fear the for the next few weeks there might be several similar edits by similar anons. I would like to request that this page and the Kaworu Nagisa be temporarily locked for the next month or so as to avoid such edits. FelipeFritschF (talk) 19:06, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

I've already filed a request at WP:RFPP here. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:09, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. FelipeFritschF (talk) 00:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)