Talk:Shirō Ishii

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Ishii vs. Mengele[edit]

Why was Ishii allowed to get away with his crimes while Mengele was hunted down since both of these individuals conducted ghastly human experimentations? Between the two, Ishii was much worse since he essentially conducted biological/chemecal warfare in Manchuria, and its remnants can still be felt in China today. Was Mengele's experimentations less scientifically valuable to the Allies than Ishii's?

Because rather than take the practical route like the Soviets and torturing a captured Ishii until all valuable information had been extracted and then shooting him, the American government decided his crimes were irrelevant as long as he was militarily useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.10.167 (talk) 00:36, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Anyways, I've added an extra blurb at the end of the article in hopes of starting more discussion on this issue.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lssah 88 (talkcontribs) 21:49, 18 July 2006.
Well Ishii was Japanese, but Mengele was German. Can you imagine a German not owning to his crime? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.227.146.139 (talk) 16:09, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
The United States gave lots of German war criminals jobs.
I removed the "all in the name of science" because I thought it was speculative and was a loaded statement. Other reasons could have been that they wanted to win the war or Ishii could have been insane etc etc. I don't know that we can chalk it all up to science, at any rate. --Wesman83 16:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
According to a documentary I am watching right now on the History Channel Ishii and his staff negotiated immunity from war-crime charges in exchange for complete co-operation with investigators examining their research. I'm not going to include this in the article until I can confirm this with at least one more source, but it's an interesting tidbit of post-war history. It does make a certain degree of sense though; Ishii's research had some actual scientific merit (i.e. he had results that could be applied to research problems/arms manufacture of the day). Mengele's research on the other hand seems to have been done more for the sake of sadism than with any scientific intention or application in mind. Ve4cib 02:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
The reason that Ishii was spared is because the United States wanted to assimilate Japan's biological warfare program. They allowed Ishii to get away with his crimes in exchange for the research data. Evidence of the program was then buried by the CIA/Imperial Japanese Army and kept a secret for over fourty years. OGROK
I've also heard such claims; one of my history professors in university claims that Ishii's work was assimilated into in the American BW program and that Ishii himself was sent to Maryland to assist US research on the subject. I cant put this in the article becuase i have no idea where my prof got this information, but in any case the article should have something on what his fate was after 1945. Kaizenyorii

10,000 deaths or 3,000 at the compound?[edit]

I see a conflict between this article and [Unit 731]; Unit 731's article states that 3,000 were killed at its facilities, while this article puts the number at 10,000. Every external article I've seen (see Unit 731's external links), and a (serious) Somethingawful.com update (http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3122) cite 3,000 as the number.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by StJarvitude (talkcontribs) 00:31, 30 October 2005.

The 10,000 dead figure probably includes the people who died from diseases that spread to the general population surrounding the facility. It is easier find the number of people killed INSIDE of the facility rather than the total number of people infected and killed through his biological research.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.165.33.57 (talkcontribs) 04:08, 25 May 2006.

Consistency[edit]

Shiro's year of birth in the article differs from the year in the category. Which is the correct one? --Mooky 01:36, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

The article Unit 731 mentions that the cover story was that the unit was a lumber yard, as opposed to a water-cleansing plant, as is mentioned in this article. This was apparantly the reason for the term 'logs'. Which is correct?

The lumber yard story was specifically a cover for one facility - either the one at Pingfan or the earlier one at Zhongma; I don't recall which. As a military unit, 731's cover story was water purification. Doktor Wunderbar (talk) 16:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Categories[edit]

Removed from the article: Category:Japanese serial killers (does not fit the definition), Category:Child killers (may or may not fit the definition but is not sourced). Added instead: Category:War criminals. GregorB 19:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Shiro Ishii was definetely a murderer. He was a psychopath and was to Imperial Japan what Josef Mengele was to Nazi Germany.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.105.44.112 (talkcontribs) 03:21, 12 May 2006.

Yes but not exactly, as Germany denounced Mengele whereas Japan embraced Ishii, who died a free man back in his hometown, where he was considered a hero. Today the Jpanese Prime Minister still honours the souls of these monsters at Yasukuni Shrine, and the Japanese people raise nary a peep in protest.
Meanwhile all the school textbooks whitewash these atrocities, Japanese kids are lectured about the horrors of Hiroshima but hear not a word about Ishii or Unit 731. When the Japanese right wing discovers this article, it will be inundated with revisionist rewrites.10:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Maruta[edit]

"Ishii and his peers called maruta (丸太; "logs," a reference to their view of subjects being inert, expendable entities)". In Factories of Death by Sheldon Harris, he states that the subjects were called logs because one of Unit 731's cover stories in Ping Fan was that there was a lumber mill on the site. Subjects would then be transferred to the compound in trains that appeared to be carrying logs. If someone has a competing source, I'd like to see it cited. Otherwise, it should be changed. RobertM525 18:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Evilness[edit]

"One of the most purely evil men to ever have lived, his name will be recorded in the annals of infamy until the end of time" is stated at the beginning of the article. The sentence is totally speculative and has no informational value at all. Regardless of what the man did, this is no more than a personal opinion and as such should not be included into the encyclopedia article.Taleyran (talk) 01:38, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Deleted[edit]

I deleted a part that was from the splatter film Men Behind the Sun, it is no documentary at all and can't be seen as a text worthy being a part of a biography of this man. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.248.84.98 (talk) 00:43, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Why?[edit]

This dirtbag Ishii was a real disgusting psychotic alright, but what led him to be such an insane monster? Was it something in his early childhood? What were his parents like? Any info out there on his upbringing, early life, etc.? 108.237.241.88 (talk) 11:12, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Christianity[edit]

I have doubt about this.From my Question to the Japanese Embassy in Berlin/Germany there answered he is buried in a Shinto Shrine near Tokyo.It means he wasnt convert.Please explain,tx. Juergen Schoefer--112.201.218.182 (talk) 11:53, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

You information is incorrect. Nobody is ever "buried" at a Shinto shrine. Death is an impurity, and is not tolerated within Shinto precincts. Now, he may be enshrined as kami (god or spirit) particularly at Yasukuni shrine. To the Shinto priests there, it does not matter what religion he (or anyone) is (especially since most Japanese are at least nominally Buddhist), or even nationality. The spirits of Koreans and Taiwanese fought for Japan (willingly or not) have been enshrined as Shinto kami. See Controversies surrounding Yasukuni Shrine. In summary, yes it is perfectly reasonable that he was converted to Christianity, and after he died, his spirit may have been "enshrined", and subsequently venerated, at a Shinto shrine. Instead of explaining all this to you, your informant may have told you that Ishii was "buried at a shrine" for the sake of convenience and brevity. Boneyard90 (talk) 18:28, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for this Information! Juergen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.201.169.128 (talk) 13:38, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

No problem! Boneyard90 (talk) 15:37, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Head of bioweapons in America[edit]

General Ishii was put in charge of all biological weapons research after his immunity! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clayt0wns (talkcontribs) 19:36, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

No, he wasn't. I can find only one source (a newspaper column by historian Richard Drayton) that claim Ishii went to Maryland as an advisor on biological weapon research (even if this is true it's hardly the same as being in charge of all biological weapons research). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.16.37 (talk) 22:21, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

He doesn't belong to the Category:Mass murderers?[edit]

Because that's how it looks like to me. He experimented on numerous individuals, just like Joseph Mengele. —  Ark25  (talk) 18:13, 24 December 2013 (UTC)