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The audio recording of the phone call urgently needs to be edited[edit]

The transcript of the call and the captions that appear when you listen to the audio both say that Zimmerman's home number was redacted. If you listen to the audio itself, though, Zimmerman's phone number hasn't been edited out and you can hear his phone number pretty clearly at two different points. I don't know how to edit recordings, but the actual phone number definitely needs to be cut out somehow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ichigogogirl (talkcontribs) 03:31, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

I've uploaded a redacted copy, with just silence both times. (You might need to clear your browser cache to get the new version.) The previous version still exists on the wikimedia commons page, I have no idea how to delete just that version of the file, or even if we should - hopefully somebody else can do so? Cosmogoblin (talk) 23:55, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
It's probably pretty safe to say he's changed that number by now. VQuakr (talk) 06:40, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2015[edit]

The article says that the police sited "Stand your Ground" law as the reason for releasing Zimmerman. Fact is the only ones who brought up that were those where illegally trying to get Zimmerman convicted without a trial. The police stated that it was a clear-cut case of self-defense. 71.74.110.233 (talk) 13:24, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Also, you'll need to cite reliable sources to support your requested edit. --ElHef (Meep?) 14:50, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Press mention I wish we hadn't gotten[edit]

The accused Charleston killer, in his manifesto, says it was reading this Wikipedia article about Trayvon Martin that radicalized him.[1] I added a "press mention" notice at the top of this page. --MelanieN (talk) 17:14, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

He says the case "awakened him" and that he learned most about it by reading "the Wikipedia article." He actually does not mention which one, for all we know he might only have read the Trayvon Martin article. He determined Zimmerman acted in the right but what actually radicalized him was the Council of Conservative Citizens, he says. I do not think without knowing which article he read we can mention it. TFD (talk) 18:25, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Except that he specifically references Zimmerman being "in the right." I think in context, it's pretty obvious which article he's citing. Dyrnych (talk) 18:30, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
The Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman articles also mention the killing. I don't think we can assume anything. It's not like Roof is a methodical researcher. TFD (talk) 18:49, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
It requires no great logical leap to conclude that he's referencing the article that discusses the shooting at length rather than articles that briefly mention the shooting. Let's not be obtuse. Dyrnych (talk) 18:55, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Furthermore, this article (Shooting of Trayvon Martin, originally created as Trayvon Martin) was the first Wikipedia article created, in March 2012, and for six months it was the only article on the subject. The Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman redirects weren't expanded into articles until September. So it's a virtual certainty that this was the article he read. --MelanieN (talk) 19:17, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
The Trial of George Zimmerman (another article he might have read) did not begin until 2013. I am sure your guesswork is good, but it is still original research. For all we know, he did not even look at any of these articles. We need a reliable source that says he did, and the Telegraph article merely quotes him. But in time no doubt his search history will be disclosed. TFD (talk) 19:36, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

For the context of the Wikipedia comment, here's the 1st two paragraphs.[2]

I was not raised in a racist home or environment. Living in the South, almost every White person has a small amount of racial awareness, simply beause of the numbers of negroes in this part of the country. But it is a superficial awareness. Growing up, in school, the White and black kids would make racial jokes toward each other, but all they were were jokes. Me and White friends would sometimes would watch things that would make us think that “blacks were the real racists” and other elementary thoughts like this, but there was no real understanding behind it.

The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right. But more importantly this prompted me to type in the words “black on White crime” into Google, and I have never been the same since that day. The first website I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens. There were pages upon pages of these brutal black on White murders. I was in disbelief. At this moment I realized that something was very wrong. How could the news be blowing up the Trayvon Martin case while hundreds of these black on White murders got ignored?

--Bob K31416 (talk) 03:50, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

What is your point? TFD (talk) 05:34, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Just making it easier for editors to see the situation directly, instead of relying on the interpretations of intermediaries. --Bob K31416 (talk) 10:20, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Here's how the news article described what set him off.[3]

He says the event that awakened his feelings was the murder of Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old black high-school student shot dead by a white neighbourhood watch co-ordinator in 2012.
“I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was,” he wrote.
From there, he said, it was a short step to becoming more “racially aware”.

The phrase "racially aware" first occurs at the end of the 3rd paragraph of the manifesto[4] and Roof's text doesn't seem to support the news article's statement, "From there, he said, it was a short step to becoming more “racially aware”." --Bob K31416 (talk) 10:58, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Fresh eyes here. I can see where he was coming from. He says that 'right away' he was unable to understand what the big deal was. 'Right away' in a Wikipedia article is the lede. And this lede gives the very strong impression that Zimmerman did nothing wrong. Whether that is in keeping with WP:NPOV, I'll leave you to decide. Handpolk (talk) 18:44, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
    • The lead of this article somehow manages to completely avoid explaining why anyone might think that George Zimmerman did something wrong or even mentioning that race (i.e. racial profiling) was widely considered to be a contributing factor in the shooting. The lead's lack of context is a disservice to our readers. Kaldari (talk) 08:27, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Black Lives Matter[edit]

I moved this recent addition in the article to this Talk page because it doesn't seem to be supported by the sources.

The 2013 acquittal of Zimmerman of the murder of Martin directly inspired the Black Lives Matter movement.[1][2]
  1. ^ Guynn, Jessica (March 4, 2015). "Meet the woman who coined #BlackLivesMatter". USA Today. USA Today. Retrieved March 8, 2015. 
  2. ^ Halstead, Richard. "Keynote speaker at Be The Dream event a leader in protest against killings of unarmed blacks". Marin Independent Journal. Retrieved May 26, 2015. 

After carefully reading the sources, they seem to contradict each other and don't support the above material. If anyone thinks otherwise, please quote here the excerpts from the sources that are used to support the material. --Bob K31416 (talk) 16:19, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

The first source seems to support it (although I could do with some proof from that time period and not just this person's say so) - is there a way to search twitter/facebook for the hashtag in the Martin timeframe?. The second does not support the MArtin conneciton, but does support the Garza coining. I don't see anything that contradicts the first source though, just emphasis on the recent cases. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:44, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Give the excerpts that you're using and I'll try to show you the problems. --Bob K31416 (talk) 17:23, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
To clarify, I'm not the one who added this, I'm just responding to your post. but Martin could just as easily have been her brother, a gentle, 6-foot, 25-year-old with a big Afro "who could never hurt a fly," Garza said. "I felt not only enraged but a deep sense of grief that I can't protect him. I can't protect him against this cancer," she said. So she composed a love note to black people on Facebook, urging them to come together to ensure "that black lives matter."Her friend, Patrisse Cullors, a community organizer from Los Angeles, spotted the Facebook post and put a hashtag in front of those three words. #BlackLivesMatter was born. Gaijin42 (talk) 17:28, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
The better argument against including this is that it seems like trivia for this article (but could be good background in the BLM article). In this article a see also link is sufficient I think. Gaijin42 (talk) 17:50, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
From the Guynn article,[5]
Garza saw Zimmerman's acquittal on TV news.
She thought it was unfair to black people.
She made a Facebook posting that included the phrase "black lives matter".
Cullors added a hashtag to the phrase.
The hashtag spread on social media.
The slogan was used in street protests.
It's not clear when the slogan became the name of a movement, Black Lives Matter.
I'd suggest changing the sentence to the following,
The 2013 acquittal of Zimmerman on the charge of murdering Martin, inspired a Facebook posting that included the phrase "black lives matter", which later became the name of the Black Lives Matter movement.
--Bob K31416 (talk) 20:12, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

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Trayvon Martin's death provoking a larger national conversation about race[edit]

Hi all, I would argue that at least some discussion must be given to the way that Trayvon Martin's death seems to have provoked a larger national conversation about race. Race is now omnipresent in public discourse, and by my memory it just wasn't that way before Martin's death. Can't provide any direct citations, but I imagine they could be found. The significance of this event in the context of broader events is not really carefully treated in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.161.247.194 (talk) 22:27, 30 August 2015 (UTC)