Talk:Siena Agudong

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https://www.sweetyhigh.com/read/fun-facts-siena-agudong-wcw-050119 - okay for birth place, not for birth date?[edit]

In the article we have the information "Agudong was born and raised on Kauai, Hawaii, U.S." with the mentioned reference. The same(!) reference also included a birth date. The same(!) reference also included a birth date. But this was deleted by saying "Wikipedia:NOTRS". What to do now? We could delete the birth place or add again the birth date. Anything else would be confusing. --Riepichiep (talk) 06:28, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry[edit]

I checked the sources related to her ancestry in the article. The first is from an interview in the "Feeling the Vibe" source that asked "What is your nationality?" where she replied "I am a mix of Caucasian, Filipino, and Polynesian". The second is descriptive text in "The Philippine Star" article, that used "Hawaiian-Filipina Siena Agudong" two times with nothing beyond that when identifying her. That is far too imprecise to support Native Hawaiian ancestry, and she, herself, didn't claim it when asked. If it were true I'd expect much better sourcing that clearly stated that including her own words. She did claim Polynesian but not native Hawaiian which is a subset of that. What we do have is her own words as self-identification. We should stick with that without any interpretation. I expect the Philippine Star source was using ambiguous term Hawaiian as the demonym for residents of the US state and nothing more. Geraldo Perez (talk) 07:14, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed that we should only report what she herself has said. If her parents supposedly said something else, elsewhere, which may or may not apply to the subject of the article, we cannot and should not use that. Also, the quality of the sources that were attempted to be used were low quality in any case, likely too low for a WP:BLP. Bottom line: She gets to say what she is, we don't get to second-guess her. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:17, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It would probably be good if we could get better sources for this – replacing the PhilStar source with something better (another interview?...) would definitely be preferable. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:20, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hawaiian isn't really a nationality to be clear, it's more of an ethnicity, which she explained. I am also her cousin and her father learned in a genealogy test that they had Polynesian. we previously thought that it was just (on her fathers side, which I am related to her by) Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, and a small amount of Spanish. which Polynesian society I sadly do not know. I will ask her father if he knows. On familysearch I have been working on our families genealogies (more so, the spouse of how I am related to her) and have been starting to work on her side (which is through her father) I am only 14, but this is my knowledge as a family member. mahalo 808Poiboy (talk) 05:34, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When we use peoples own words about their ancestry we don't generally require any more proof or documentation beyond their reliable sourced assertion unless they are trying to claim some benefit from that claim. The person's assertion is a WP:PRIMARY reliable source and as such just gets stated, without interpretation or evaluation. That she didn't back up her claim is pretty standard for people who haven't done the genealogy research and are just going by family lore. If her claim is dubious or false, a source needs to be provided that states that but most secondary sources just ask the subject and take it as truth unless they have reason to investigate further to try to falsify a claim. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:20, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

do note, her father's DNA research did pop up some polynysian. we just don't know which society and we currently have nothing to clarify hawaiian. 808Poiboy (talk) 22:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The new PopSugar source states "Agudong is Hawaiian and grew up in Wailua, while Smart is English and grew up in London." As noted before Hawaiian has multiple meanings, Native Hawaiian is one of them, from Hawaii is another. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:11, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

for the "popsugar" source to state she is Hawaiian is misleading and fasley as people in hawai'i who aren't native Hawaiian don't call themselves Hawaiians, simply kama'aina or from hawai'i. as I said before, I am also from hawai'i and her cousin. as far as I know, her dad whom I am related to said that the DNA test showed Polynesian descent but we don't know which society. 808Poiboy (talk) 22:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]