Talk:Sigurd

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Otto Rank[edit]

In Otto Rank's The Myth of the Birth of the Hero, he tells the story more or less as follows: King Sigmund returns home from travel to learn of accusations of his wife's illicit relations with a menial. He orders her tongue to be cut out in the forest as punishment. In executing the order, she secretly births a child and places it in a glass vessel which falls into a river and travels downstream. It is found by a doe who nurses the young child, and subsequently found by a wise smith of the forest, Mimir who names him Siegfried and takes him as his own. But growing large and wilful, Mimir gets rid of him by conspiring with his brother, Regin, a dragon, to kill him. But Siegfried slays the dragon and then slays his unloyal father.

Now, I don't see anything even remotely resembling this in the Wikipedia article. Is Rank just plain mistaken, or what?

--1000Faces 22:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, the answer is found here, Regin: The Thidrekssaga relates a slightly different tale, with Regin as the dragon and Mimir as his brother and foster father to Sigurd.

Sigfried in Popular Culture[edit]

Sigfried is also a minor and mysterious character of Final Fantasy VI.

In 2012, Sigfried is mentioned in the movie "Django Unchained". The German bounty hunter Dr. Schultz, tells Django of a German legend in which Sigfried scales a mountain, walks through a ring of hell-fire and defeats a dragon to save his love, Brunhilda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.75.59.62 (talk) 21:45, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Sigurd is also a protagonist in the Fire Emblem series of video games. Cillian flood (talk) 11:39, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Corruption?[edit]

The introduction states:

The name Sigurðr is an Icelandic or Norwegian corruption of the German Siegfried as the correct Old Norse would have been Sigruþr (Sigröd), a form which appears in the Ramsund carving that depicts the legend

This sounds strange to me. AFAIK, the Norse stories of Sigurðr are attested much earlier than the German ones of Sigfried, so why not rather assume that Sigfried is the corruption? The only information I could find on the etymology of the name(s) is BehindTheName.com, where it says concerning Sigurd: "From the Old Norse name Sigurðr, which was derived from the elements sigr "victory" and vörðr "guardian"". Thus I don't see why Sigurðr should be taken as a corruption of Sigfried. --Pinnerup 22:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, Eric Brate, who is the source of this information was both a notable runologist and a translator of the Poetic Edda, so I think we should take the information seriously. By "corruption", Brate can not possibly mean that Sigurðr was "derived" from Sigfried, but he most probably means that that the corresponding Old Norse form of Sigfried was Sigröd and that a poet mistook Sigröd/Sigfried as Sigurd when the traditions reached Norway from Germany, Sweden or Denmark.--Berig 23:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I just noted this now. The Old Norse form of Siegfried is Sigfroðr, not Sigruðr or Sigroðr (with or without umlaut). I can see how one could be mistaken for the other, but is there any indication this is the case? Or that someone really made this error based on mistaking Sigurðr for Sigroðr, which in turn would be a mistake for Sigfroðr? Also, according to the Wikipedia article on the Ramsund carving, the name Sigroðr in the runes associated with the carving is the name of one of the family members for whom the carving was done, not the name of the epic hero, as this passage implies. Spiderboy12 (talk) 14:26, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
I edited the page to reflect my comment above. Also, "Sivard" is the same name (or a variant form) of Sigurd, coming from Sigurðr or the ancient Germanic equivalent Sigiward.Spiderboy12 (talk) 17:59, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Marvel Comics[edit]

FYI I don't know how to incorporate this into the article, but in Thor (Marvel Comics) a Marvel Comics wrote a short series based loosely on this and Siegmund in between issues #292-300. MPA 23:00, 16 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MPA (talkcontribs)

No Hermann?[edit]

Curious why there is no section about Hermann der Cherusker? As he is the real historical figure that inspired all these stories, is it not relevant?2601:806:4301:C100:3518:3979:F107:BC33 (talk) 01:36, 3 April 2017 (UTC)