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Some changes I want to introduce
1) The Polish name mentioned by English wiki article says either język śląski (Silesian language) or etnolekt śląski (Silesian ethnolect). This is POV. I will not discuss the title of the article, because it has to be one of the options, but here we can mention more than one name. And so it is, there are two names mentioned, but one is a name used by pro-language groups (język - language), while the other is ethnolect, which is completely not in use in Polish, and such an expression only exists on Polish wiki as a sign of compromise between pro-language and anti-language groups. So I believe either "język śląski" should be removed, or "dialekt śląski" and "gwara śląska" added. Otherwise the wiki article will chose sides by mentioning one option and the compromise, and not the other option.
2) It is not true that Silesian was spoken in Lower Silesia until 1945 only. - dialects in Namysłów, Rawicz, Rychtal areas still exist, to some extent, even if only few villages use them. - the speakers of Chwalim dialect were deported in 1939, not 1945.
3) It is worth mentioning that Laskie dialects are spoken (mostly!) in what is considered historical Moravia. It comes from the fact that this area, up to the city of Hranice ("border"), which is actually geographically separate from Moravia, was part of Silesia/Poland until Brzetyslaw raid. It is part of Silesia that was conquered by Czechs then and never returned to Poland nor Silesia (while f.e. Opava returned to Silesia, but not to Poland, due to the creation of Opava duchy, and is considered part of historical Silesia).
4) It is worth mentioning that Silesian was not, until recently, used in writing nor official speach, apart from isolated cases (such as Ondra Lysohorski's attempts)
5) It is worth mentioning the relative number of Silesian language and nationality declarations, as well as the fact that a significant number of people (over 100.000) declared Silesian language, but Polish nationality only, and even a bigger number Silesian language, and Polish nationality as one of 2 nationalities they declared. And the other way round, a number of people declared Silesian nationality despite being completely Polish-speaking. The current versions are simplicistic and / or misleading.
6) It would be also perhaps useful to mention that east of the Sycow-Prudnik line, Glubczyce area was completely German-speaking.
7) It would be useful to mention what happened to Lower Silesia after ww2, that is that currently, Polish is in use there, but not Silesian Polish, but a mixture of various dialects brought by Polish settlers from other parts of Poland and abroad.
If no-one opposes constructively, I will go on with these changes - again.
- Thank you for outlining your proposed changes here, Heresson. I reverted an edit by the user per WP:BRD. As I'm not knowledgeable in this field, much less proficient enough in Polish in order to check the references, I thought it best that other editors had a chance to go over the proposed changes to content after the edit warring this article has been subjected to. I'd appreciate it if Sobiepan, Piotrus, IJzeren Jan, Volunteer Marek, Filelakeshoe, and JorisvS could take a look at the proposed changes in order to establish whether they are controversial or not. Thanks, all! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:02, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
The Rawicz region is situated in Greater Poland. You mean probably the Hazak/Chazak tradition, which is probably Lower-Silesian (I'm not an expert) influenced by Greater Poland dialect. Do you have a source that Hazaks speak Upper-Silesian language? pl:Gwary dolnośląskieXx236 (talk) 08:35, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Currently the hatnote says:
- This article is about the West Slavic variety. For the Germanic variety, see Silesian German. For ethnic group/nation, see Silesians.
This sounds as if it's asserting that there is a language called Silesian, of which there are German and Slavic varieties. But this is incorrect: the two are from different language subfamilies. I want to change it to this:
- This article is about the West Slavic language. For the Germanic language, see Silesian German. For ethnic group/nation, see Silesians.
But I suspect this (or one potential alternative, "dialect of Polish/German") would be viewed as taking a stance on the language/dialect question, which would be non-NPOV. Thoughts? Hairy Dude (talk) 11:58, 3 August 2015 (UTC) Hairy Dude (talk) 11:58, 3 August 2015 (UTC)