Talk:Simeon bar Yochai

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Vote[edit]

Can we move the page to the more common English spelling - 'Shimeon bar Yochai'? The current Simeon is not representative of the Hebrew name pronounced Sheem'on and the 'h' in Yohai is usually spelt 'ch' or 'kh'. --Shuki 14:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes- I think this would be more productive. he was condemned by "Varna" -??? this is a town in Bulgaria. Maybe it was Varus?--Bo Basil 18:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Why "Shimeon", not "Shimon"? It's not pronounced SHIME ON or SHIMMY ON, so why the need for an "e"? I'd support a move to Shimon bar Yochai --Dweller 18:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Look at what links to this article and you see that many articles use shimon bar yochai. Jon513 22:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
No-one seems to be too bothered. Be bold. --Dweller 09:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Definitely not Shimeon. it is entirely irregular in the religious lterature, english or German. It must be either Shimon or Simon--Bo Basil 10:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

NOT BAR[edit]

It is Shimon BEN Yohai. 203.206.248.147 16:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It isn't, as he's dead. But nitpicking aside, why do you think his name was "ben", not "bar"? --Dweller 16:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

He was an Israeli not a Babylonian. 203.206.248.147 17:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

The new-age kabbalists site is able to get it correct in the external links. 203.206.248.147 17:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia guidelines are very clear on this matter. Naming follow what is most commonly recognized not what he himself might have called himself. He is commonly referred to as Shimon Bar Yohai both in talmudic writing and most contemporary writings.Jon513 18:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
No he isn't! RSRH never refers to him as bar. The Talmud uses ben. The only ones who use bar are Modona and the song "bar yohai." The Chabad.org website even uses ben. [1] 203.217.94.62 04:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Both are acceptable forms, and both are even used on the Chabad website. [2] Also, kabbalah.com and the Kabbalah Centre use 'bar' almost exclusively. Msteven1 13:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Idiotic editors[edit]

Could stop please tell the idiotic editors to stop making Rabbi Shimon look like a fool. He was a hakham he should be treated as one. 217.132.111.171 (talk) 20:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about? --Eliyak T·C 09:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

"Rabbi Shimon" most certainly was foolish in many regards. Perhaps his curse on those who believed in Enoch came back to bite. And one who truly understands should wonder why 20,000 of Akiba's disciples all died in a plague. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.106.7 (talk) 02:46, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Yochai or Yohai ?[edit]

I entered this quest for correctness from a casual reading of the article Lag BaOmer. In there I came to this statement:

"After the death of Rabbi Akiva's 24,000 students, he taught just five students, among them Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai. The latter went on to become the greatest teacher of Torah in his generation. The day of Lag BaOmer is also celebrated as the Hillula or Yahrzeit, the anniversary of the death, of bar Yohai ..."

From that statement, I just wasn't clear if this bar Yohai was the same as bar Yochai. Please come to consensus for the enlightenment of gentiles such as myself.

Request for addition[edit]

This article says there is an ongoing dispute regarding the grave, but I don't see it in the article. Can someone with a good source or two add it? Zerotalk 03:10, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:47, 21 September 2011 (UTC)



Shimon bar YochaiSimeon bar YochaiRelisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:40, 14 September 2011 (UTC) While the Hebrew form "Shimon" is much more common, propose rename to match all other early rabbis called "Shimon" but called "Simeon" on wiki. Chesdovi (talk) 23:14, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

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Oy vey! Oppose. I guess I'll wait for the next round. --Shuki (talk) 17:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)