Talk:Simeon bar Yochai
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Can we move the page to the more common English spelling - 'Shimeon bar Yochai'? The current Simeon is not representative of the Hebrew name pronounced Sheem'on and the 'h' in Yohai is usually spelt 'ch' or 'kh'. --Shuki 14:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes- I think this would be more productive. he was condemned by "Varna" -??? this is a town in Bulgaria. Maybe it was Varus?--Bo Basil 18:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Why "Shimeon", not "Shimon"? It's not pronounced SHIME ON or SHIMMY ON, so why the need for an "e"? I'd support a move to Shimon bar Yochai --Dweller 18:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. Look at what links to this article and you see that many articles use shimon bar yochai. Jon513 22:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Definitely not Shimeon. it is entirely irregular in the religious lterature, english or German. It must be either Shimon or Simon--Bo Basil 10:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
It is Shimon BEN Yohai. 126.96.36.199 16:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- It isn't, as he's dead. But nitpicking aside, why do you think his name was "ben", not "bar"? --Dweller 16:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
He was an Israeli not a Babylonian. 188.8.131.52 17:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
The new-age kabbalists site is able to get it correct in the external links. 184.108.40.206 17:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia guidelines are very clear on this matter. Naming follow what is most commonly recognized not what he himself might have called himself. He is commonly referred to as Shimon Bar Yohai both in talmudic writing and most contemporary writings.Jon513 18:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
"Rabbi Shimon" most certainly was foolish in many regards. Perhaps his curse on those who believed in Enoch came back to bite. And one who truly understands should wonder why 20,000 of Akiba's disciples all died in a plague. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 02:46, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Yochai or Yohai ?
I entered this quest for correctness from a casual reading of the article Lag BaOmer. In there I came to this statement:
"After the death of Rabbi Akiva's 24,000 students, he taught just five students, among them Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai. The latter went on to become the greatest teacher of Torah in his generation. The day of Lag BaOmer is also celebrated as the Hillula or Yahrzeit, the anniversary of the death, of bar Yohai ..."
From that statement, I just wasn't clear if this bar Yohai was the same as bar Yochai. Please come to consensus for the enlightenment of gentiles such as myself.
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