Talk:Sind sparrow

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Name

Shouldn't this be Sind Jungle Sparrow? All of these names are quite old-fashioned: Sindh is the correct spelling. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 21:08, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The IOC seems to think it should be "Jungle Sparrow". Sindh is certainly the better spelling. Older literature uses "Rufous-backed Sparrow". http://www.archive.org/stream/faunaofbritishin02oate#page/238/mode/2up/search/pyrrhonotus - Rasmussen uses Sind Sparrow and so does HBW. I think it is better than Sind Jungle Sparrow, which has been used although the word jungle has a confusion between etymological origins (where it refers to scrub and cultivation) and common usage (=dense forest) etymology. Shyamal (talk) 08:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to Summers-Smith, the name Rufous-backed Sparrow was that first proposed for this species (rather late: in 1921). However, this name was also used for the Rufous Sparrow of Africa (now split into at least 4 species), so a certain Ticehurst proposed the name Sind Jungle Sparrow for this species. This name thus has the greatest pedigree. My sources on etymology say jāngāl is Sanskrit for "wilderness." I'll add a good deal of this to the article page some time. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 16:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update: On enquiry, the IOC indicated that they had tried to trim two adjective bird names wherever it produces a unique name so they had trimmed "Sind Jungle Sparrow" to "Jungle Sparrow" instead of the alternate trim to the already well established "Sind Sparrow". This change was subsequently made in the IOC English names list. Shyamal (talk) 06:25, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sindhi

(Sindhi: جھركي)

I've removed this as it is not clear what it refers to. The sparrow? Sindh? —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 16:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not useful sources

Here are some sources that probably aren't useful as references, and even more so as further reading, which they were listed as:

Grimmett, R. (1987). "Little-known Oriental bird: The Sind Sparrow". OBC Bulletin. 5: 23–24.
Sharpe, R. Bowdler (1888). Catalogue of the Passeriformes, or Perching Birds, in the Collection of the British Museum. Fringilliformes: Part III. Containing the Family Fringillidæ. Vol. XII. London: Taylor and Francis. pp. 316–317.
Whistler, Hugh (1911). "The Rufous-backed Sparrow (Passer pyrrhonotus, Blyth)". Journal of the Bombay Natural History Society. 20 (4): 1151.
Whistler, Hugh (1913). "The Rufous-backed Sparrow, Passer domestica pyrrhonota, Blyth". Journal of the Bombay Natural History Society. 22 (2): 392.

—innotata 01:25, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sind sparrow/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 22:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I will review this. FunkMonk (talk) 22:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"also similar to the female Sind jungle sparrow" There should be consistency in which common name you use. FunkMonk (talk) 21:12, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Done —innotata 01:13, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"While the common South Asian subspecies of the house sparrow, Passer domesticus indicus, has a body about 15 cm (5.9 in) long, the Sind sparrow is 13 cm (5.1 in) long." I would switch these around, so the measurement for the subject of the article comes first. FunkMonk (talk) 21:14, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Done —innotata 01:13, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Ernst Hartert considered it as a subspecies of the house sparrow" The resulting trinomial synonym should be mentioned. FunkMonk (talk) 21:30, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Done —innotata 01:13, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"but Doig and Claud Ticehurst both found the two species breeding side-by-side." Why does that exclude it being a separate subspecies?
- I think I improved this. —innotata 01:13, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"with speciation occurring as early as the Miocene and Pliocene." Would be nice to add how many million years ago this was.
- Done —innotata 01:18, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Looking good. Not much more to add, I assume the info here is most of what's known about the bird. FunkMonk (talk) 01:43, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed… —innotata 05:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What's the meaning of the scientific name?
- Will add. —innotata 05:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Done. —innotata 17:30, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And is this image[1] in any way useful? FunkMonk (talk) 01:43, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think so. Shyamal's plumage of the male is more accurate than the Keulemans illustration (which of course must have been based on a round skin). However, Keulemans' illustration has the only image of the female available so it ought to be in the description section, and it would be awkward to have Shyamal's image anywhere else in the article. Maybe it could be the taxobox image, or the Keulemans illustration could be moved to taxonomy… and that's why I prefer the current image choices personally. —innotata 05:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I'll go ahead and pass this then. FunkMonk (talk) 13:40, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:URFA/2020

Our map File:PasserPyrrhonotusMap.svg is sourced but the IUCN's map shows a wider distribution. In particular, the IUCN's map shows western Pakistan and eastern Iran, areas also mentioned in our article. A455bcd9 (talk) 16:20, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]