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"Clean vocals"[edit]

"Clean vocals" redirects to this article, yet the word "clean" doesn't even appear in the article. What does "clean vocals" mean? Pretty much what it sounds like?

--Ben Culture (talk) 10:08, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I just noticed the same thing, getting redirected here hoping for more information about "Clean vocals", which is a term used when discussing post-hardcore music to specify singing that is neither screaming nor death growling, all three of which can appear in post-hardcore songs.
Perhaps "Clean vocals" could redirect to screaming instead, because that article does at least mention clean vocals. (talk) 23:45, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Western bias?[edit]

I came to this article hoping to find out a bit about, say, an anthropological history of singing, how it developed in different cultures, how cultures around the world engage in it and perform it - and get a really Western, Americanised perspective starting from highly Westernised vocal pedagogy discussion and culminating in American Idol. I know, {{sofixit}}, but I'm here to learn, not to edit, and I'm surprised no one's commented on this already... (talk) 16:59, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I see that it was brought up once and ignored. (talk) 17:01, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Richard Miller addresses the topic in a minor way in this book which was published in 2011. He pointed out that there is a need for a lot more scholarship in this area, and that studies and publications on non-western singing in an depth and serious way have not yet been done. That's not to say that there isn't valuable content out there (certainly a lot of more generalized scholarship by ethnomusicologists has been done that is pertinent), but that part of the bias in this article is simply a reflection on the limited amount of resources available and the specialized knowledge of this topic. Best.4meter4 (talk) 06:03, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Origin and History of Singing[edit]

This article has a very narrow focus. It would be good if it could cover more cultures, and discuss the origin and history of singing.Ordinary Person (talk) 13:52, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

I agree, but sourcing is an issue for cultures outside of the Western world. Please see my comments above in the topic 'Western Bias?". Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:06, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Singing[edit]


Category:Singing has been nominated for recategorizing. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page.
CN1 (talk) 15:55, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Images in article[edit]

An editor has recently been very persistent in adding an image of a playback singer to the article. I regard the image as unhelpful, un-encyclopaedic and of poor quality. In my view this image adds nothing to the value of the article. I have twice requested in edit summaries that the question of whether to include the image should be discussed here as per WP:BRD. The editor has declined. I have therefore brought the discussion here and would welcome the views of others.  Velella  Velella Talk   18:29, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

A playback singer is actually of relevance here as in most regions playback singing is the final destination of every singer. Image of the singer has a relevance according to MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE as the singer is representing south asia and I am going to add reliable citations for this. Umair Aj (talk) 18:38, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

While the topic may or may not be important (n.b. it's not even referenced in the article), it's still true that (a) that particular image is of poor quality; and (b) three stacked pictures at the top is too many. Maybe this picture could go lower down, or (preferably) on the playback singer article, which doesn't have an image at all.
I would note, however, that the two other pictures accompanying the lede are both Americans; we should seek for a little more diversity. But this low-quality image of a Pakistani isn't a good choice. —Wahoofive (talk) 16:19, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you regarding diversity because other two pictures are of American singers. As far as poor quality of the picture is concerned, soon I am going to upload a better quality picture of the singer till the time it would suffice. Umair Aj (talk) 19:15, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Good. In the meantime I hope other editors will weigh in on the significance of playback singer, which frankly I'd never heard of before this, and hasn't even been referenced in the article heretofore. —Wahoofive (talk) 05:04, 8 September 2016 (UTC)