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Sinn Féin name[edit]

The name probably does have at least an element of the 'alone' bit mentioned as a mistranslation, it really means both 'Ourselves alone'/ 'ourselves' 137.191.225.130 (talk) 16:56, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

No. "Ourselves alone" in Irish is "Sinn Féin amháin". "Sinn féin" only means "ourselves". Scolaire (talk) 22:00, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Euroscepticism again[edit]

"Sinn Féin is neither Europhile nor Eurosceptic." Ref: Irish Times, 22 May 2014. This is from the Sinn Féin MEP, Lynn Boylan, so it trumps any other news source that relies on some journalist's opinion. Scolaire (talk) 08:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Left-wing nationalism again[edit]

Because of my edit summary here – which I admit was badly phrased, since I did not mean it as a suggestion – Lamedumal has added Left-wing nationalism to the infobox as an ideology. The problem with that, as I explained in the section above, is that Irish republicanism is a nationalist ideology, and democratic socialism is a left-wing ideology, so adding the third does not actually expand on the other two; it just repeats them and adds another wikilink. I disagree with adding what is effectively just clutter to the infobox, and I think it should be left as it was. Scolaire (talk) 12:51, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Shouldn't this be on the far-right? Sinn Fein is a nationalist party that promotes "Ireland for the Irish". It is the same as UKIP. Why not changing it to far-right instead? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.103.216.183 (talk) 18:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Nationalism does not equal far-right. Sinn Féin has little if anything in common with UKIP. Scolaire (talk) 20:06, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Sinn Fein broadcast ban in Ireland 1977-1994[edit]

The Irish Broadcasting Authority Act, 1960 (Section 31) Order, 1993 clearly prohibits RTE from broadcasting or reporting on interviews with Sinn Fein spokesmen. But the Irish Broadcasting Authority Act, 1960 (Section 31) Order, 1977 only mentions the Provisional Sinn Féin. The basis of the statutory instruments is the Broadcasting Authority Act, 1960 as amended by the Broadcasting Authority (Amendment) Act, 1976 et seq. The only source I have gives the period as 22 years ending in 1994, but that would be 1972 and I can find no order from before 1977 (after the 1976 amendment). That's 16 years. What is the period that Sinn Fein was banned from being broadcasted by RTE in Ireland? Int21h (talk) 04:06, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Got it: It was around November 1971 (possibly 1 October) per the Dáil Eireann Debate on 4 November 1971. I did not expect to find a primary source so easily. Int21h (talk) 04:30, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Left wing or far left?[edit]

Sinn Fein is far to the left of the mainstream parties in Ireland. It supported (or still supports) revolution in Ireland - including the overthrown of the established governments in North and South. It espoused support for socialism at home, and revolutionary groups abroad. Doesn't that make it far left rather than left wing?Royalcourtier (talk) 06:30, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, no it doesn't. "Far left" refers to Trotskyists, Maoists, Anarchists etc. Sinn Féin is not far left. In fact, it is generally considered to be less left-wing than parties such as the Socialist Party, the Anti-Austerity Alliance and People Before Profit. Scolaire (talk) 11:12, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Sinn Fein is the most left-wing party in the UK - far more than the SNP or Plaid Cymru. (LoweRobinson (talk) 14:16, 8 January 2016 (UTC))
Note that the above is a sock of a banned user. Scolaire (talk) 14:31, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
You might be thinking of the Official Sinn Féin which became the Workers Party. Left-right in Ireland tends to be centered to about mid-way between Britain and the US. I would think to the right of Jeremy Corbin but to the left of Obama as far as Sinn Fein is concerned. As far as supporting revolutions is concerned who isn't supporting revolutionary movements abroad nowadays? Dmcq (talk) 16:57, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Who was it who said the difference between the Stickies and Provos is ultimately 15 to 25 years? The current Sinn Féin has largely travelled to many of the places the Officials were a generation ago, albeit carrying the movement with them.
Ireland's politics are traditionally awkward to fit into conventional left-right models and a lot of the self-proclaimed Irish left denounce each other as not being left.
In the UK Sinn Féin is in a more awkward position because of the nature of the power sharing executive and what gets passed (one of the main things the southern left attacks it over) but also clearly seen far more as Irish Republicans than as socialists.
The one thing that is clear is that in the European Parliament Sinn Féin sits with a collection of hard left parties from more left-right orientated political systems. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:23, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

"Sinn Féin is currently a left-wing party"[edit]

In the ideology section I changed a sentence to "Sinn Féin is currently considered a left-wing party." Sinn Féin has existed since 1905 and during that time Irish politics has been based on different political divisions such as nationalist or unionist, pro-Treaty or anti-Treaty, the left or right thing hasn't always been important. John J. O'Kelly's Sinn Féin was hardly of the left, as well as that Sinn Féin was very much a Catholic nationalist party in the 1950s and then moved to the left in the 1960s under Tomás Mac Giolla. The Provisionals (who this article upholds as The Sinn Féin) split with the Officials in 1969 partly because the latter were too concerned with left-wing issues, before becoming more left-wing themselves in the 1980s. "Currently" is important. Claíomh Solais (talk) 11:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Fine by me. Pushing things onto a left-right line seems a bit like hammering square pegs into round holes and particularly in Ireland. Dmcq (talk) 12:43, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
I agree that "currently" is correct. Scolaire (talk) 15:02, 26 March 2016 (UTC)