Talk:Sitting Bull

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December 16, 2007 Peer review Reviewed
January 14, 2008 Good article nominee Listed
Current status: Good article

Lead section does not make sense[edit]

Since about May 2011, as far as I can tell, the second paragraph of the lead section of this article has made no sense because it refers to a battle that has not actually yet been mentioned. At one time the lead section read like this, but then subsequent edits destroyed the sense of the flow. It's not great that a supposedly "good" article should have such a glaring problem in the first couple of paragraphs. Is anyone in a position to fix it? I have no knowledge of this subject and I do not want to be restoring bad information... 86.160.82.245 (talk) 23:16, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I restored some text from that previous version to clarify. Seems like that Little Bighorn should be mentioned there. The text may need more adjusting though. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:41, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Succession Box?[edit]

Since he was Chief of the Lakota Tribe, should there not be a Succession Box relating to the position of Chief, and who his predecessor and successor were? The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 22:19, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

No, there were more than one chief at a time, leading a different camp. It's not like Sitting Bull was the only one at a single time. Many times, chiefdom was hereditary anyway and the current Lakota and Dakota no longer have chiefs but elected officials to manage tribal affairs. oncamera(t) 01:04, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
I see, but if each chief had a particular subgroup of the Lakota ("different camp"), we could in that case do a Succession Box based on whichever subgroup he led. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 23:15, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


GAR[edit]

This artical needs to be GARed... 209.195.73.82 (talk) 02:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I understand that Sitting Bull was at one point later in life transferred to a reservation in Minnesota. Is this so? There is no mention of Minnesota in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.40.117.97 (talk) 04:25, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Quote by Sitting Bull[edit]

"Nothing is so strong as gentleness, nothing is so gentle as real strength". Some links on Google connect this quote to Sitting Bull. Likewise, it was written on an image of him I have been having for years now. Wikipedia however connects this quote to St. Francis de Sales. Anyone here who can clarify this for me. Does any one know if Sitting Bull said these words ? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.95.72.75 (talk) 10:39, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

regarding the "conversion" section of the article[edit]

Sitting Bull, in the image at the top of the article, is clearly wearing a big, giant crucifix and a rosary around his neck. It seems wise to attempt to explain this if he really wasn't Catholic. (though I've seen a lot of sources say he was in the past.)Farsight001 (talk) 22:55, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Not to offend, but may I suggest irony? Wouldn't be unlike him. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:41, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
It appears he was given the cruficix by a Catholic priest, according to Stanley Vestal, and thus probably wore it as a courtesy or a badge of honor of some sort. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 01:53, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Sitting Bull's Relatives[edit]

Since "Big Foot" is considered a derogatory name under Spotted Elk's page, should we change that under the Relatives section to be Spotted Elk instead?

71.170.0.132 (talk) 06:48, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Internal contradictions[edit]

The part about the Wild West Show and Annie Oakley doesn’t make sense chronologically. It indicates that Sitting Bull joined the show in 1885, stayed for four months, met Annie Oakley during this time, and symbolically adopted her in 1884. I would love to have been able to edit with a correction, but I can’t since I don’t know what the truth is, only that it can’t be exactly as described here. Could someone who knows this material better please fix it? Tupelo the typo fixer (talk) 21:19, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that Tupelo. I rearranged some text and added a reference to clarify the chronology. Evenrød (talk) 23:26, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Sitting bull[edit]

You have his birthdate as 2007 don't think so — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.187.23.220 (talk) 11:11, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

  • You misread the text. Two footnotes follow a period after the sentence "Sitting Bull was born in Dakota Territory." The next sentence begins, "In 2007, Sitting Bull's great-grandson asserted from family oral tradition..." Sensei48 (talk) 12:49, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Tobacco Pipe[edit]

Perhaps a point of interest regarding the current location of Sitting Bull's tobacco pipe would be welcome in the article. The pipe shown in the "card" image is currently in Santa Fe, New Mexico, in Forrest Fenn's walk-in vault. --Desertphile (talk) 01:20, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Dakota territory (infobox birth place)[edit]

Clicking in the link takes you to an article which is about an entity that came into existence at the start of the American Civil War - some 30 years after Sitting Bull's birth. What was the area known as in 1831?--Máedóc (talk) 21:16, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2017[edit]

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Sitting Bull's Lakota name[edit]

This question requires the input of a Lakota language expert, but the article is currently inconsistent

Tȟatȟáŋka Íyotake is given in first section, but later in the Early life it is given as "Tȟatȟáŋka Íyotaŋka".

On a Lakota language forum two responses suggest that Íyotaŋka is not correct http://www.lakotadictionary.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5693.

However the PBS documentary page gives his name as Iyotanka. http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/s_z/sittingbull.htm

But a biography by Michael Crummett is entitled Tatanka-Iyotanka: A Biography of Sitting Bull. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Welfairstate (talkcontribs) 09:49, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Sitting Bull's closet living relative, his great-grandson Ernie Lapointe is a fluent native speaker of Lakota and has the name written as simply Tatanka Iyotake. Which is already referenced in footnote 10: [1]. At some point the name was inserted with the accent marks, etc; which a common reader of the English language version of this article is going to find difficult to understand. Evenrød (talk) 17:28, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

It isn't the issue of accents, I think these are useful because this is how Lakota is written, but the presence of the ŋ in the Early Life section. I emailed Ernie Lapointe to confirm this, and he told me that Iyotanka is completely wrong. I recommend a change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Welfairstate (talkcontribs) 09:00, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on this. If you want to make that change I will support it. Evenrød (talk) 18:12, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

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