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Notes[edit]

Someone replaced the "inherently dangerous" statement with a statement that skiing is less dangerous than sports like golf. I haven't looked at the source, but isn't this a little silly? Perhaps we could just simplify the statement to say that skiing injuries can occur, so ski areas have first aid facilities. Or we could say something more balanced about the risk. But this is not the "skiing" entry, it's the "ski resorts" entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ssilvers (talkcontribs) . 17:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm contemplating starting an article for references I've gathered on skiing and snowboarding accident rates, which would be the best way to simplify this article and address the issue in skiing and snowboarding—neither of which mention it. While many people think skiing is dangerous, most tend to be nonparticipants, or novices. Those who think skiing is more dangerous than golf, either haven't been around enough golfers, or hang with a dangerous ski crowd.... —EncMstr 21:14, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
This is an article on Ski Resorts, not Skiing. Skiing is just a small portion of what a Ski Resort is. Any information written regarding Ski Injuries should be on the Skiing page, same with Snowboarding injuries, Sledding injuries, walking on ice injuries, they should all be in their own respective pages. Including that most Ski Resorts have first aid stations would be fine in the article but I don't see the significance in talking about Ski injuries at all? I'm going to remove that line and reference, if anyone else feels differently please revert my change and lets discuss it further in the talk page, I'd like to hear others opinions on the matter. OlafBerserker (talk) 03:17, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

history needed[edit]

How about some history of ski resorts, worldwide, of course. I was just looking for details on the introduction of skiing in the US during the 30s as a CCC project in the 30s, as an example. As a kid in the 60s, skiing was something done by the rich in the east, and then in the 80s was something done in the west by yuppies flying to the west, or occasionally to the Alps. Now you can ski in the Persian Gulf. Mulp (talk) 18:21, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


Bogus map[edit]

This map is completly weird...Less than 200 stations in France, while this is the country which has one of the greatest (if not the greatest) number of ski lifts, ski areas...and ski resorts in Europe. And the color of the legend is missed : Italy is overrated, almost the same color between major actors of the winter tourism (Switzerland, Austria, France) and "smaller" actors (Germany, Spain, Finland...). In this map, Spain seems to be a major player in the European skiing economy...with about 30 resorts. The contributor is Spanish, it is probably a hazard...

Just some sources :

Aspects of tourism - Sport tourism development - see p.96 : http://books.google.fr/books?id=FU1dIQ64yoEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=sport+tourism+development+thomas+hinch+higham&source=bl&ots=WE2proKQGE&sig=Z8QRopx0Kpa8HbMikKdz_5d905A&hl=fr&ei=3LreTPTHMcTOhAe_z6DXDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

A wiki list : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ski_areas_and_resorts_in_Europe ... More than 300 in France.

Climate change in the European Alps - OECD - see p.26 : http://books.google.fr/books?id=tOlrEz02r7YC&printsec=frontcover&dq=climate+changes+european+alps&hl=fr&ei=bLveTLPBHsqI4Qaczck2&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=climate%20changes%20european%20alps&f=false

Laurent Vanat - swiss specialist of the economy of skiing. The document is about the lifts (see p.17). Not directly related with the number of ski areas, but we can see that France is among the top. http://www.institut-montagne.org/nuxeo/nxfile/default/eb7cf13f-626f-4147-8f0e-3441906cfd1f/file:content/RM-panorama2009.pdf


Conclusion : more than 300 ski areas for France (between 300 and 400 - it depends of the definitions). Nevasport (the source of the map) seems to be just a newspaper. I suggest to change this map.--Surfmann (talk) 16:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I Agree, at the very least the map should be translated into English as this is on the English wikipedia site. The image is under CC and free for modification. Anyone up to the challenge? OlafBerserker (talk) 03:07, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Italy is not overrated in this map. In fact Italy is a very mountainous country with ski areas spread all over it. We find ski areas not only in the Alps but throughout the Apennines and even on mount Etna in Sicily. I guess Italy has more skilifts than France and Switzerland combined.--Sajoch (talk) 21:18, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Use and meaning of title "Ski Resort"[edit]

In the article Resort it defines as "In North American English, the term "resort" is now also used for a self-contained commercial establishment which attempts to provide for most of a vacationer's wants while remaining on the premises, such as food, drink, lodging, sports, entertainment, and shopping." Should the term Ski Resort be used for the many ski areas that do not have lodging for guests? If you search Wikipedia for "Ski area" it redirects to "Ski resort". Perhaps there should be a separate article for "Ski area", for those which have no lodging, etc. for users of the area. RGB2 (talk) 07:22, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I fully agree. "ski area" should be a separate topic.--Sajoch (talk) 20:58, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Merging[edit]

The template was put in but no discussion thread opened, so i do that now here:

  • Oppose. While I have no real opinion on this article, but apres-ski certainly deserves articles of its own. The current entry is admittingly not much but there is literature and ideally in the future the article will cover the (global) history and development of the word and term throughout the last 100 years or so. There might be some overlap with "ski resort" but imho not enough to require a dingle entry rather than two.--Kmhkmh (talk) 16:11, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
@Kmhkmh:, fair enough, thanks for the input. Just for context, I'm trying to rationalise the sprawling and sometimes overlapping set of articles that relate to skiing (and related activities like apres ski) right now. I've made an outline of them here: Talk:Skiing#Structure_needed_and_redundancy_needs_pruning --Cornellier (talk) 18:15, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Merge. Apres-ski article doesn't have enough to make it stand as an article now. Saying it "deserves" an article is not convincing. Apparently at this point in time it does not merit its own. Saying "ideally in the future" there could be a more thorough article is not a convincing argument either. Apres-ski is an integral part of ski resorts, doesn't happen much outside of ski resorts, and so it has a place as a subsection in an article on ski resorts. IF one day après-ski section is expanded enough that it makes sense to make it an article of its own again, that can always be done, but for right now it makes sense to merge it. Mmyers1976 (talk) 22:12, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Merge. As mentioned above, the current article really does not contain enough information to justify it having its own page. When (or if) more information is added to the Apres-ski section, then it could get its own article again, if the section becomes big enough. AJFU (talk) 22:29, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

I propose merging Environmental impact of ski resorts into this article. Mmyers1976 (talk) 18:31, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Merger done per WP:SILENCE. Ended up being a straight redirect as almost all the assertions of environmental impact were WP:OR and WP:SYN without adequate citations and verification, and article read like an essay rather than an encyclopedia article. Mmyers1976 (talk) 22:06, 16 April 2015 (UTC)