Talk:Sleigh Ride

Trivia

I've removed the following entry by user:208.64.220.94 from the trivia section, as it is out of style:

An early memory is that this catchy melody was a "Mystery Tune"(?) on the radio show "Stop the Music," with host Bert Parks. It was the longest-running mystery tune of the show by the time it was finally identified. Please elaborate and correct if you can.

--Niels Ø (noe) 15:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Reason for removing lyrics

I removed the lyrics section of this article due to the fact that their inclusion was probably a copyright violation which could lead to action against Wikipedia. Copyrighted song lyrics published in the United States later than 1922 should not be extensively quoted in Wikipedia articles, unless it can be proven that they have become part of the public domain. See the reply to question 20 on the talk page of Wikipedia's copyright FAQs. If someone can provide a citation from a reliable source that the lyric of "Sleigh Ride" is now in the public domain, they can restore the section to the article. Whyaduck 05:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I see it's still being edit warred over. There's been no apparent response, here. For the sake of settling the argument, if nothing else, we need something conclusive on this talk page before including the lyrics. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

If "Whyaduck" above would read (an updated version of) his own reference he would know that, with their having been written in 1949, Sleigh Ride's lyrics almost certainly passed into the public domain in 1999; I would therefore suggest that, until an experienced patent & copyright lawyer asserts and demonstrates otherwise, that the lyrics be restored as their removal was ill informed.Epischedda (talk) 04:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The copyright for "Sleigh Ride" has not expired. Works authored in the US prior to 1978 were originally protected for 28 years. Prior to 1978, a "renewal" of the copyright by the author extended the protection of the work to 56 years from date of original copyright. This extension was done for "Sleigh Ride." In 1978 Congress passed a copyright protection act which changed the copyright term for works created before 1978 to 75 years. This applied to "Sleigh Ride." The "Sonny Bono" copyright extension passed by Congress in 1990 further extended the term to 95 years from original date of copyright for works authored prior to 1978. This also applied to "Sleigh Ride." The 1978 copyright protection act applied to works created during or after 1978 the copyright term of "author's life plus 50 years." The "Sonny Bono" extension in 1990 changed the protection for works authored during or after 1978 to "author's life plus 75 years." Leroy Anderson started work on "Sleigh Ride" in 1946. He completed the work on February 10, 1948. The composer copyrighted "Sleigh Ride" as an instrumental in 1948. Lyricist Mitchell Parish authored the lyrics to "Sleigh Ride" in 1950 with the permission of the composer. The vocal version was copyrighted in 1950. The instrumental version of "Sleigh Ride" will not enter the public domain until 2043. The vocal version (including both lyrics and underlying instrumental music) will not enter the public domain until 2045.Rolf.Anderson (talk) 01:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Untitled

LITTLE KNOWN FACT: This piece was originally arranged for concert band, not orchestra. I know this because I have played the original arrangement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aniohevesh (talk • contribs) 04:53, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Please make each topic with a header like this: == (header) ==, and do it at the BOTTOM of the page.

Anyways, what will define concert band and orchestral?

Gwen Stefani

Why does Gwen Stefani recording this song in 2020 merit the only mention of a version of the song in the main intro when there are dozens of famous classics? Alexandermoir (talk) 22:53, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Because it summarizes the section about it, unlike the other versions that are in the border of being removed per WP:SONGCOVER. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 23:02, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't see how Stefani's cover is any more notable than these others. Certainly Ella Fitzgerald's version, for instance, is more notable than Stefani's. The Stefani section is full of details that are completely irrelevant to the song "Sleigh Ride", like the death of one of her producers, bands that certain collaborators are in, etc. Merely having a large word count doesn't make any of this notable. Even if Stefani's were more notable than others, why should it belong in the intro rather than in "Details"? Topdownjimmy (talk) 15:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

I, too, was wondering why the Stefani cover is more important than any of the dozen or so earlier covers mentioned. Yatagerasu (talk) 15:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

For the record, I have never stated Stefani's version is more important than other covers of the song. Notable versions could and should be included in the article too, as long as they pass WP:SONGCOVER. Ella Fitzgerald's version meets these guidelines, so feel free to add information regarding her version to the article. Carbrera (talk) 16:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC).

My question is not whether Stefani's version should be included at all, but whether it belongs in the Lead Section, which I don't think it does. WP:MOSLEAD Topdownjimmy (talk) 18:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

According to WP:MOSLEAD, "the emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable [and] published sources", and the bulk of the article's sources (approximately one-third) are used for Stefani's version of the song. At the article's current state, I believe the lead appropriately reflects the guidelines of MOSLEAD. Carbrera (talk) 20:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC).

Stefani's recording of "Sleigh Ride" is not important to the subject of the song, regardless of the number of words devoted to it on this page. It is one recording among doubtless hundreds of recordings. It does not belong in the Lead. Topdownjimmy (talk) 01:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I disagree. My argument has never been that Stefani's version deserves a mention in the lead because "of the number of words devoted to it". That's not what I'm saying at all. My argument involves what information in the article is reliably and adequately sourced. A cover of the song shouldn't need to be bigger than the original to warrant inclusion in the lead. "The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents" per MOSLEAD. The difference between Stefani's recording and the hundreds other you mention is that this one passes SONGCOVER. And because its in the article, it should be summarized in the lead. Carbrera (talk) 02:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC).

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