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My mistake on thinking the white castle burger is spelled the same. I kept the link there because I think other people might make the same mistake. CyborgTosser 20:10, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I bumped heads (gently) with DEng while editing this page. I'm going to suggest a disambiguation strategy here, and if there's no disagreement I'll implement it in a few days:
- Create slider (disambugation) with links to leg spin and parachute, and probably also Slyder.
- Leave slider as the baseball definition only, which I think is the primary meaning. Have a For other uses, see slider (disambiguation) link at the top.
I think that should be sufficient, as the text on the parachuting definition is pretty much duplicated, in better context, on parachute. If the material particular to the parachuting slider grows and exceeds that already on parachute, it can merit its own article at slider (parachute) or somesuch, linked to from the disambig. -dmmaus 13:57, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
- implemented DEng 20:34, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Any serious disambiguation of "Slider" should also include items called "Slider" in other than Baseball, e.g. the read/write head of computer harddisks!
"How do I throw this thing?" was the question I was looking to answer when I viewed this article. It wasn't! Could someone who knows "be bold" and add that to the article? Zerbey 05:07, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Much like any breaking ball, there really isn't one definitive way of throwing a slider. Some people hold the ball with the open end of the "horseshoe" facing away from them, with their index and middle finger over the seam closest to their palm and simply "pull down" on the ball, letting it roll over and off their index finger, not snapping their wrists, and use the spin created like that, others use the same grip and turn the ball like a doorknob as they release, which some people might consider a curveball due to the wrist action. Other people hold the ball with the open end of the horseshoe facing them, similar seam grip, and use either of the above methods for imparting spin. Grip has some say in the pitch, in that it helps with spin, but truth is there's no one definitive way of throwing the pitch, other than not throwing it until your elbow and forearms are developed enough. Steve Carlton's personal website has a five or six step process as to how he threw his slider with pictures for each step. It really depends on what works for each pitcher and what's easiest on the arm. For the record, I throw mine with the open end of the horseshoe out, index finger on the "inside" of the shoe and middle finger on the "outside" sort of straddling the seam, and I keep my wrist straight and use the grip to impart the spin, throwing from a low 3/4 arm angle. It's also caused me some arm trouble in the past. Mmatthias (talk) 23:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Define backdoor slider?
A backdoor slider is a hard breaking pitch that travels safely outside the hitting zone where the batter has maxiumum plate coverage, but then has late movement and veers over the corner. The purpose of a well thrown backdoor slider is to fool the batter into taking the pitch, and have the umpire call it a strike. 'Backdoor' in that it's a surreptituous attempt to gain strike 3, and that from the batter's vantage, the 'backdoor' is the area just off the plate's outside corner.
Its most accurate to call a pitch a backdoor slider if the pitcher is righthanded and the batter is lefthanded. Lefthanded pitchers throw breaking balls that approach from the outside frequently, using that tactic as a core pitching strategy. Its anticipated behavior from lefties, and therefore not surreptitious and not 'backdoor'. And when a righthanded pitcher throws a slider outside to a righthanded batter, the pitch is breaking away, and not in - so its merely a 'slider away' or 'slider low and away', as they are frequently called.
Can someone please add some history to this article? When was this pitch invented? Who was the first pitcher to use it? What was the reaction of players and fans of the time to this newfangled pitch? -dmmaus 23:40, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
What about Steve Carlton? The Neyer/James Guide to pitchers has him listed as throwing a slider most of his career with the Cardinals and Phillies (his two main teams) and it was, to my knowledge (he played before I was born), his out pitch. If you watch his video clip on his page on the Baseball Hall of Fame website there's a really good shot (starts at :19 into the video) of him throwing one, and you can see how good it was. My father, not to get anecdotal, recalls his slider as being perhaps the nastiest most unhittable pitch he'd ever seen. Again, as far as I'm aware, and I could be wrong, he is to sliders what Bert Blyleven/Sandy Koufax/Barry Zito are to curveballs, which is to say the defining hurlers thereof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 02:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Not a stub
Remove the category baseball stub, since the article is developed beyond stub level and has been rated as a start class article. ("This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.") twfowler (talk) 18:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Copied a long text that's been nominated for deletion to a subpage of the talk page noted above. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Complete Overview of the Slider. Might be useful stuff in that text. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:32, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
The discussion of the "dot" on the ball is incomprehensible to me. What is the "dot"? How does a hitter "pick up" a dot? How does the pitcher move the dot around where the batter can't see it? How is a "dot" white or red? Perhaps someone who knows the subject can clarify this. RFabian (talk) 14:04, 17 January 2013 (UTC)