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About the redirect from "Cacatua goffini"[edit]

The redirect "Cacatua goffini" has recently been changed to redirect to "Ducorps' Cockatoo" having previously redirected to "Goffin's Cockatoo". ITIS (not always quoted for bird names) says that "Cacatua goffini" is synonymous with "Cacatua goffiniana", the "Goffin's Cockatoo". Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Snowman (talk) 23:41, 30 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The only thought I have on the matter is that it is making my head hurt... ;) --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 23:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See: http://www.repository.naturalis.nl/document/43942 :

The history and taxonomic status of the species-group names Lophochroa goffini Finsch, 1863, and Cacatua tanimberensis Roselaar & Prins, 2000, both used to name the Tanimbar Corella, are reviewed nomenclaturally. It is confirmed that Lophochroa goffini (sensu Finsch, 1863) is not applicable to the Tanimbar Corella, but represents a junior synonym of Cacatua ducorpsii Pucheran, 1853, as shown by Roselaar & Prins (2000). The substitute name Cacatua tanimberensis they proposed is an objective junior synonym of L. goffini and subjective junior synonym of C. ducorpsii. From the nomenclatural point of view, the Tanimbar Corella remains undescribed and is here named.

Goffin's Corella has only been formally described in 2004, explaining the backlog most websites have. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 23:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To summarize latin names with common names:

Cacatua ducorpsii -> Ducorps' Cockatoo
Lophochroa goffini -> Ducorps' Cockatoo
Cacatua goffini -> Ducorps' Cockatoo
Cacatua tanimberensis -> Ducorps' Cockatoo
Cacatua goffiniana -> Tanimbar Corella or Goffin's Cockatoo

have fun. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 00:04, 31 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was keep at Solomons Cockatoo. Jafeluv (talk) 12:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Solomons Cockatoo → Ducorps' Cockatoo — To popular name of cockatoo. The species has a very popular name of "Ducorps' Cockatoo", which has been the stable name of this article since the page was started in 2005. If there is no consensus supporting the new name, then the page move should be reverted. Snowman (talk) 12:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note: After a long discussion at Wikiproject birds a motion was passed 10 to 2 that the IOC name "should be the default position, and that in the cases of no consensus, the name should be at IOC name (that is, for a species to remain at a non-IOC name, there has to be a clear consensus)". This is in line with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (fauna)#Article title that "If the article is about an animal belonging to a group where Wikipedia editors have agreed on a standard for choosing among two or more common names, follow that standard". -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 14:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There was a specific discussion on this parrot and the move was contested on the WP Talk page Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Birds#Pages_to_move_.281.29 and there was no consensus to move it. Snowman (talk) 14:46, 4 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The above motion was passed after the discussion about exceptions was derailing the whole process, and therefore supersedes the contested discussion. The motion specifically statetd to move first, and see after wards if tehre is a consensius to deviate from the IOC name. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 15:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This move was contested proving it to be a controversial move and so I believe that it should have been open to discussion outside of the WP Bird talk page with a formal page move discussion. Snowman (talk) 15:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The idea was that contested moves could be discussed after all pages were moved to the IOC names, and |that the IOC name "should be the default position, and that in the cases of no consensus, the name should be at IOC name (that is, for a species to remain at a non-IOC name, there has to be a clear consensus)".. So, we can now see if there is a consensus to deviate from the IOC name, in line with the WP:BIRD discussion. If you do not like that motion, I suggest you file a RFC on that as what happens here is in line with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (fauna). -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 16:04, 4 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support[edit]

Oppose[edit]

IOC-names.-- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 14:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Happy with IOC list, see no reason to change. Maias (talk) 14:26, 4 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, for reasosn given elsewhere. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.