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Speedy deletion 2004[edit]

I disagree that this article is a speedy delete. a google search for "sonny barger" returns results related to this, and a google search for "sonny barger" "hells angels" returns almost 2000 results. You are free to send it to VFD. -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee|]] 01:21, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It also doesn't meet any of the criteria set out here -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee|]] 01:25, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

VfD debate[edit]

For the archived vfd debate for this article see Talk:Ralph 'Sonny' Barger/delete -- Graham ☺ | Talk 01:31, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Alleged Gun[edit]

The article states "(who had a gun, according to the court record, which includes testimony by the victim's girlfriend who was there)". Setting these words apart with parenthesis and adding "according to the court records..." implies that the existence of a gun is in dispute. In the film footage, the spectator can clearly be seen pulling a gun. The entire parenthetical statement should be shortened to "who had a gun".

Harley or not[edit]

The article states that Sonny Barger does not currently ride a Harley Davidson. Yet his latest books state that he does ride a Harley, and the model that he rides. This should be taken out of the article unless there is proof.

Done. The cited reference does not in fact contain any such information. The fact that Mr Barger is on record in a recorded interview as having "owned 10 or 12" motorcycles in his life also includes the interviewer asking him if he ever considered riding any other bike besides a Harley Davidson. Mr Barger replied he had "thought about it", then went on to say that so many people would "give him grief" over it if he did. --Unquietminds (talk) 22:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I added the information about Sonny Barger riding a Victory Polaris. I have photos in my possession showing him riding a Victory at Hollister, California. The motorcycle has emblems from indicating the riding is a member of the Cave Creek, AZ chapter of the Hells Angels. Mr. Barger's current chapter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, he states in his biography, that he would like to use bikes manufactured by BMW and Honda, but stays true to the rules of his chapter. (talk) 21:17, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

There are no rules in the HA that require owning or riding a Harley Davidson. Strictly "American made." Polaris Victory qualifies. In Europe there is no American made requirement. I've seen chopped BMWs with HA paint jobs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:54, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you provide verifiable source for this? Even if it's true, a fact needs to have a verifiable source before it belongs in an article, and we can't verify what you've seen or not seen.--Dbratland (talk) 01:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Here is an article from August of 2009 that shows Sonny Barger on on his current motorcycle. This motorcycle is an American made 2008 Victory Vision. Victory's parent company is Polaris.

Dutch and German[edit]

In his autobiography, Barger says that his father was partly Dutch and partly German. He also notes that his mother was Italian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah,he's a really great guy. Doesn't everyone have large planters in front of their Oakland house with Swastika's all along the front?

Question on Updating Page[edit]

I have been trying to update Sonny Barger's page for some time now and keep having my contributions deleted. Can somebody please explain how to properly put this contribution into appropriate wikipedia form:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dracula08 (talkcontribs) 01:25, 29 April 2011

What is your source for this information? --Dennis Bratland (talk) 02:46, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

All of this information was taken from Barger's autobiography Hell's Angel:The Life And Times of Sonny Barger and the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dracula08 (talkcontribs) 21:55, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

The problem is, when we see a large block of unformatted text being dropped into an article all at once, we question if the material has been copied from somewhere else, in violation of copyright law. That is why the new material keeps being removed from the article, and should not even be here on the talk page (though it is concealed). --Diannaa (Talk) 22:05, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm new to the wikipedia community. I came across Barger's page and thought it was very small. I want to add to it, but if I'm dropping a large block of unformatted text, do you mean I have to format the text before I can add to the page? If so, how do I do that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dracula08 (talkcontribs) 22:12, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Carefully read and follow Wikipedia:Citing sources. Make sure you understand it, and ask questions if you don't. Also read Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. I would also check out Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons if you have time.

After reading, ask questions here, or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorcycling, or Wikipedia:Help desk. There are many of us who are happy to assist you.

This is the same answer I put on my talk page. Generally, the place to continue a discussion is wherever that discussion started, so you don't have to jump back to my talk page to get my attention. If someone comments here, they'll probably add the page to their watchlist to see if anyone replies. Don't forget to sign your posts. Thanks! --Dennis Bratland (talk) 23:43, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Updating The Page[edit]

I have prepared a possible update to Ralph Barger's page. I think it should be expanded and was wondering if an experienced wikipedia writer would be willing to help me contribute to the community with this article. If any of you are interested please let me know what I can do to get my draft to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

You can just post it below, along with your sources. See Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources for more on sources. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 03:24, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

OK, you can stop pasting that over and over again. We get it. As I said above, carefully read Wikipedia:Citing sources. After you read it, ask questions. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:26, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I pasted it once on the discussion page and not on the actual page along with my sources. I've read the page you keep reffering too. Do I need to add my sources to wikipedia itself? If you are getting annoyed with his then send me to someone who has some answers/patience for a beginner such as myself who simply wants to add to a page severly lacking in information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dracula08 (talkcontribs) 16:32, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Find additional sources[edit]

Northamerica1000(talk) 09:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


Noel, Sharon and Zorana have been mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:56, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

His first 3 wives are mentioned in this book [1] MalcolmX86 (talk) 01:22, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Removing Biased Quote[edit]

I noticed on the page that there is a direct quote from Sonny's Hell's Angels book:

"In terms of pure work-manship, personally I don't like Harleys. I ride them because I'm in the club, and that's the image, but if I could I would seriously consider riding a Honda ST1100 or a BMW. We really missed the boat not switching over to the Japanese models when they began building bigger bikes. I'll usually say "Fuck Harley-Davidson." ” —- Ralph "Sonny" Barger, Hell's Angel

That's a direct quote, but if you actually read that chapter of the book to get the context, he goes on in great detail about what he does like about Harley's such as "They have more character" and that they are indestructible and can be rebuilt to run forever. That everyone loves the sound of the Harley exhaust. The chapter is all about what he likes and doesn't like about Harleys and the Harley Davidson company.

The quote above with no context is very biased against Harley Davidson and gives the impression that Sonny has nothing good to say about Harleys. It should be removed, or expanded to provide the missing context. Thoughts? If no one disagrees, I'll remove it. Thanks. Mattdruid (talk) 18:38, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree. (talk) 23:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


MalcolmX86 (talk) 01:22, 6 February 2014 (UTC)