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"Since women are forbidden to leave the island no Soqotri speakers are found in the Yemeni mainland." - A total non sequitur. Maybe no Soqotri speakers are _born_ on the mainland, but I met men go there sometimes.

Soqotri Speakers[edit]

The information of Soqotran women have been forbidden to leave the island is to be proved - I saw that they leaved (being married to Yemeni mainlanders at least!). The Soqotri language became the language of a national minority of Soqotrans in the UAE. Of course, for young Soqotrans living abroad it is hard enough to learn their unwritten language, especially when it is out of their daily usage in families. However, some "temethel d-min Saqatri" (Soqotran special short poetry items) are known among them like:

temethel qa'onhen - beshol hayefeten: (or hafeten): yisheyn-sen d-bi-dehan, d-bal-dehan y'ayhof-sen! (or yigarod-sen)!

Links[edit]

The affinities of the Arabic dialect on Soqotra ought to be mentioned. I should imagine it has links with the Yemeni-Omani-Hadhrami dialect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.4.21 (talk) 08:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I changed one link, because the previous one was obsolete. I'm afraid it is also the case of links to RBGB, but it is difficult to check the absence of a page on a website. maybe it has moved... Fernand d'Ambérac.

Soqotri is a MSA language[edit]

There is no Yemeni-Omani-Hadhrami dialect.. because there are many big Yemeni Arabic dialects in Yemen "shimaalan wa ganuuban" (Sana'ani, Adeni-Ta'izzi, Dathina and Hadhrami - and these are not all of them), as well as there is an Arabic dialect of Oman. The local population in Mahra speaks several MSA languages as well as the population of the Soqotra archipelago (Yemen) and of Dhofar province of Oman. The Soqotrans are speaking Arabic dialect well but it seams to have Gulf Arabic features for favorite Soqotran emigration to UAE for decades. Mutargim (talk) 03:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Confusion[edit]

The Wiki article describes the language "It is one of the Modern South Arabian languages (MSAL) and is usually classified as a South Semitic language," yet the New York Times calls it "Socotri, a language that is unique to the (Socotra) island and related to some of the oldest of the Near East."

Are these statements in conflict? If not, can a cunning linguist clarify the article?

--UnicornTapestry (talk) 12:30, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Soqotri is one of the Modern South Arabian languages, which are usually classified as South Semitic. The New York Times writer is, well, a travel writer, not a linguist, and their goal is to glamorize their topic. Soqotri is, indeed, only spoken on the island of Soqotra, thus it is unique. As a Semitic language, Soqotri, is, indeed, related (distantly) to Akkadian, one of the oldest recorded languages of the Near East. But all other Semitic languages are also distantly related to Akkadian. (I am a linguist, but cunning is a relative term.) (Taivo (talk) 13:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC))
Taivo, thanks for the clarification. I felt caught between the normally erudite NY Times and, as you say, a travel writer, not a linguist, and I felt uncomfortable with answers outside my knowledge.
--UnicornTapestry (talk) 02:56, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Reworking First Paragraph[edit]

One thing that became clear with the question on the "Confusion" section above is that the first paragraph was a mess. The reference to the travelogue just to justify the alternate spelling "Socotri" was totally unnecessary. An overall reference to Ethnologue is quite sufficient to reference alternate spellings. The second part of that first paragraph was a clutter of references to Militarev and was not correct even when talking about his conclusions. I cleaned that all up to clarify it. However, I think that the entire final sentence of that first paragraph is not appropriate here, but is appropriate at the MSAL article. This article isn't about where the MSAL fit into a Semitic framework, but about Soqotri only. I moved it there. (Taivo (talk) 13:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC))

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