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The heading is strange, what's a UAA? I live in South Gloucestershire but have never heard of UAA. It could be Administrative Unitary Authority or Unitary Authority Area or what? A quote from the www.southglos.gov.uk:
South Gloucestershire was created in 1996 as part of the government's plan for local government reorganisation. It was formed from the previous districts of Kingswood and Northavon, and part of the former County of Avon. South Gloucestershire is a unitary authority - that is, it provides all the services that in other places are operated by separate district and county councils.
Is UAA a mistake for UA?
Adrian Pingstone 12:00, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It means 'unitary authority area' and is a term used by 80.255 to avoid calling it a 'county', which the legislation clearly defines it to be. Morwen 16:40, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Is bexley a county? How about the "county" of wrexham? All UAAs lack the very levels of administrative government that gave administrative counties their title. Furthermore, South Gloucestershire is obviously named because it consists of part of the south of Gloucestershire - Traditional Gloucestershire, that is (it can't possibly refer to the administratve county of Gloucestershire, since SG is manifestly not part of it!). The fact hat it is a UAA means it cannot be said to be in any 'administrative county' - yet it's name leaves no room for doubt as whereabouts it is; and there is no solution to this contradiction until you default to the real definition of the County!
Please stop this nonsense. South Gloucestershire is defined to be a county by the law. Morwen 19:02, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)
And to save you the trouble of doing the research - see [1].
New counties of North West Somerset, Bath and North East Somerset, South Gloucestershire and the City of Bristol shall be constituted and shall comprise the district areas of North West Somerset, Bath and North East Somerset, South Gloucestershire and the City of Bristol respectively.
Now, you can pointlessly continue your rhetoric about it not being a 'true' county but noone is listening, but you can no longer dispute that South Gloucestershire is an administrative county, at least. Morwen 19:16, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Well we may have to return to this, since Kingboyk has been recategorising everything. The local authority is described as a district ( or was at the inaugural council meeting, which I attended). It is described IIRC as being placed in a 'shadow county'. It is not a unit for purposs of the EU, I recollect. It shares some key services wtih Glos county (like archivist) as well as the Lord Lieutenant. Of course it shares many things that really matter with the rest of Avon, but that's another story. Linuxlad 10:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

There is a consensus on Wikipedia that the unitary authorities created in the 1990s in England should not be called counties unless they have the additional status of a Ceremonial county. Therefore South Gloucestershire is not a county (though the council have county council rights and duties), though Bristol, Herefordshire and Rutland are counties, as they have Lord-Lieutenants. David 20:25, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Morwen!
Any reason why you have removed “my” map showing the adjoining areas to South Gloucestershire? I thought it was useful so why remove it? (at least, it doesn't show up in my browser which is IE6)
Adrian Pingstone 12:41, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I replaced it with my new standardised locator maps for counties. I just tried it in IE and that wasn't showing up, so I fixed that. If you think 3 maps isn't excessive, feel free to put it back. Morwen 13:08, Jan 22, 2004 (UTC)
I don't see how there could be too many maps of a geographical subject so I'll put it back. After all, even your most excellent location map does not give the precise location of South Glos in relation to the surrounding counties.
Adrian Pingstone 18:17, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hi Morwen! Would it be possible to include the name of the Leader of the Council, Neil Halsall, and the political composition of the SG Council ?

Robin Rae, Chipping Sodbury 6 November 2004

UAA is Unitary Authority Area.. The geographic area covered by the Unitary authority.. It's not a County Council, nor a Shire County. Also the only connection to Gloucestershire is a Parliamentary act relating to The Queen Lord Lieutenants.. And then the act says *just for the purposes of the act*, South Glos is listed as Gloucestershire. BUT politically, re local government and geography it is South Gloucestershire. The Act uses the term Ceremonial County; it's wholly and only related to the queens representative only. Lieutenancy area see link to Legislation. Some1asks (talk) 20:12, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Winterbourne[edit]

Winterbourne now appears both under "Major towns in South Gloucestershire" and "Other towns and villages". I wouldn't claim to know under which it should appear, but clearly not both. From my slight familiarity with the place I would tend to favour the latter. SMeeds 21:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I believe technically Winterbourne is a large village and should be listed under "other towns and villages", although this entry has been removed and the one under "major towns" remains. Bizegar 23:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 08:14, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm interested to know the rationale of creating the new Unitary Authorities from the former Avon County. In paricular, why wasn't the predominantly rural northern part of South Gloucestershire (what was Northavon) not returned to Gloucestershire proper, and Kingswood etc. (areas like Patchway and Filton, which are effectively Bristolian suburbs) added to Bristol? Axelowtl (talk) 16:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Update tag added[edit]

I have lived in the South Gloucestershire area almost all my life save for a few months in Bishopston and Southmead. This article is showing its age. The new developments such as Cheswick, South Gloucestershire and Charlton Hayes for one, the new Science Park to the east of the M32 and also the expansion of the Cribbs Causeway Mall. The new Bradley Stoke and Yate Tesco Hypermarkets have attracted a lot of new employment and there is definatley a lot of "black flight" from the inner suburbs of bristol, with a lot of muslims now settling into Bradley Stoke. The 2011 census results will be out soon, but I can tell that the population of South Gloucestershire is definatley much much higher without even knowing the results officially. I will wait for the WP:RS to make it offical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.14.248.35 (talk) 22:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Hatnote[edit]

Hatnotes provide links to other articles which could have the same title: in this case "South Gloucestershire". Such articles do not usually have any logical connection with the content of the article - they are totaly different people, or objects sharing a name, etc. The hatnote I added earlier today links to a parliamentary constituency of this name, a bus company referred to in its article as "South Gloucestershire", and the local authority. All of these are relevant links, and appropriate to be in a hatnote. Please do not delete them again, unless to replace them by a link to a newly-created South Gloucestershire (disambiguation). Thanks. PamD 16:57, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Quote "This article is about the area. For the local authority, see South Gloucestershire Council. For the former constituency, see South Gloucestershire (UK Parliament constituency)".
(1) Please note that a Unitary authority IS the council.
(2) Please be aware that the geographic area of the Unitary authority area of South Gloucestershire, formally in the abolished County of Avon, has NEVER HAD a parliamentary area of South Gloucestershire. South Gloucestershire has such a large population there are (and were) several Members of Parliament. *IF* there is any mention of such a constituency it related to either the Southern part of the ShireCounty of Gloucestershire, or it's so out of date the information is over 50 years old, and is not listed accurately - EG caused by the confusion of Southern Gloucestershire and the geographic former Avon area of South Gloucestershire..
(3) Any commercial businesses who use the title South Gloucestershire, use it to relate to the Geographic area that is different from Southern Gloucestershire, the Shire County.
Some1asks (talk) 20:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
@Some1asks: The presence of links in a disambiguation hatnote makes no comment on the connection between the articles. It is simply that if another article has a title with the same string of characters, then there needs to be a hatnote linking it. (See Old Norwegian or Harry Pennington as examples). If you believe that the constituency article is wrongly named, please discuss it on that article's talk page; while the article South Gloucestershire (UK Parliament constituency) exists, there needs to be a hatnote here to link to it. The unitary authority area is one thing, a geographical piece of land; the governing council is a different entity, a body which gets elected. See City of Leeds and Leeds City Council or, nearer, See also Bath and North East Somerset, Bath and North East Somerset Council and Bath and North East Somerset Council elections. The bus company has a name which is evidently abbreviated to "South Gloucestershire", so a link from that term to the article on the bus company is necessary. Please do not again remove this hatnote. PamD 20:26, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Joint services[edit]

Everything summarised in the lead should appear elsewhere in the article. So the info about joint services with other ex-Avon authorities needs to appear in the body of the article - possibly a "Shared services" section? PamD 18:49, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

infobox[edit]

If this article used {{Infobox UK place}} then it could automatically pick up the fire, police and ambulance services, but this isn't availabe with {{Infobox Settlement}}. I don't know the other pro's and cons of the two options. PamD 20:55, 12 May 2016 (UTC)