Talk:South Ossetian parliamentary election, 2009

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Name[edit]

Shouldn't this be moved to 2009 South Ossetian parliamentary elections? Usually we use that kind of name for election articles. Offliner (talk) 17:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

See Russian legislative election, 1993. WTF is "About 100 Russian and foreign reporters"? It may be appropriate for the Interfax, where the Russian reporters are not foreign, but certainly not here. Colchicum (talk) 19:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Let's change to "international reporters" then. Personally, I think my proposed article title name would be clearer. Offliner (talk) 19:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
There's a standard for election articles, and it's the "Somewhereian whattypeian election, whatyear" format. —Nightstallion 13:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Weirdness abounds[edit]

These elections sure are weird. If I understand properly, there were *two* parties named "People's Party". Originally, it was the name of an opposition party, but when it wanted to register for the elections, a pro-Kokoity party showed up and registered under the same name. Guess which "People's Party" was permitted to run? ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 21:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Not quite. There wasn't a second People's Party. But it was effectively taken over by Kokoity's people. Óðinn (talk) 05:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
That's spin. Check out Radio Free Europe at [1]:
In mid-April, South Ossetia's Election Commission refused to register the opposition People's Party headed by Roland Kelekhsayev to participate in the election, but it did register a second party of the same name established days earlier by persons said to be subservient to Kokoity. It also registered only nine of the 10 candidates on the list of the socialist Fydybasta (Fatherland) party, rejecting party Chairman Vyacheslav Gobozov, who headed it.

Besides, it's not like hijacking parties by government operatives is a normal democratic process. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 12:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

And another quote reminiscent of Paranoia (role-playing game):

In a seeming contradiction, he predicted that the electorate will act wisely and rebuff any attempt by "political blackmailers and mutants" to enlist their support.

"He" is Kokoity here. Source: [2]. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 19:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Apartheid?[edit]

Were Georgian refugees allowed to vote, at least in principle? Well, I understand that they wouldn't, but could they? Oh, irony. Colchicum (talk) 22:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

2 Georgians actually ran for election. So it's probably not quite the apartheid you imagine it to be. Óðinn (talk) 05:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, perhaps not apartheid as such. But the subject of Oppression of Georgian minority in South Ossetia might merit some attention. For example, are any ethnic Georgians in the parliament? ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 10:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Estonian language sources[edit]

Let's only use English language sources here, as there are more than enough available in the international media. Estonian media sources such as the ones used by Digwuren to source a dubious claim are hard to verify and should not be used here. Offliner (talk) 02:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Google Translate has reasonable capability at handling Estonian, especially at newsprint level. Furthermore, your rael concerns are obviously not about language; the sourced material you removed had several English-language citations, yet you still didn't like it. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 07:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
There is absolutely no reason to use Estonian sources for matters that don't remotely concern Estonia. As for your English sources - they are simply factually incorrect. There weren't any barred parties. There was a hostile takeover of one (People's Party) and a forced change of leadership of another (Fatherland). Óðinn (talk) 07:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
As you recall, Estonia is fairly high at the Press Freedom Index. Estonian media can act as a neutral outsider here. I'm not saying that, say, BBC does bad work, but it *does* carry a slight former Empire bias with it; one not found in Estonian journalistic culture.
Of course, Estonia is not necessarily unique in this regard. Feel free to add Finnish, Latvian, Belgian and so on sources as applicable. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 10:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English_sources: English-language sources are preferable to sources in other languages so that readers can easily verify the content of the article. However, sources in other languages are acceptable where an English equivalent is not available. Offliner (talk) 19:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Observers[edit]

Observer Giulietto Chiesa is worth to mention, since he is a MEP, member of PES. Otto (talk) 14:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

It's also interesting to point out he's a former Italian Communist Party functionary. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 10:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
This is a suggestive remark. The article is not about Mr. Chiesa but about the elections in South Ossetia. Please refrain from abusing wikipedia with your sarcasm. Otto (talk) 11:06, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Nothing to do with sarcasm. Instead, it has to do with the fact that the Communist Parties in the West were, until fall of Soviet Empire, funded by the Soviets. Since Mr. Chiesa was a high-ranking ICP member in the Soviet times, he is not neutral in this matter. Дигвурен ДигвуровичАллё? 14:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Is he not neutral because Russia is the *new* USSR? PasswordUsername (talk) 14:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Bad jokes[edit]

"Ruling party has secured the most votes" is a very naughty pun, considering that the votes were, indeed, secured by barring access to opposition parties who might have stolen some. I like it, but it really isn't encyclopædic. Any replacement suggestions? ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 07:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Digwuren[edit]

I reverted a revert from Digweren, who reverted a lot of motivated changes from different users. Otto (talk) 11:01, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Who were the voters?[edit]

If around 70% of residents of South Ossetia have citizenship of Russian Federation, who were permitted to vote in this election? Дигвурен ДигвуровичАллё? 14:54, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps they have a dual citizenship. — Glebchik (talk) 10:41, 20 June 2009 (UTC)