Talk:Transvaal Ndebele language
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but this seems to be more about the ethnic group than the language itself. Maybe it should go under Ndebele!
- I've been trying to relieve some of the ambiguity that surrounds the Ndebele peoples and languages of Zimbabwe and South Africa. If nobody has any objections, I'll create a new Ndebele people page and move some of the cultural content from this article there, leaving the language info here Humansdorpie 22:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
This article seems awfully confused. Is the language described here a "Sotho-Tswana language" or is it from the "Nguni group of the Bantu languages"??
Also, is this the isiNdebele that's listed in the Constitution, or a different language with the same name? If not then the Languages of South Africa template should be removed.
It seems to be talking about 3 different languages. One is a Sesotho language, another is an Nguni language belonging to the same sub-family ("Tekela"?) as SiSwati, and the last is an official South African language (which, as personal experience from watching the SABC 1 news at 18:00 proves, does not sound like SiSwati or a Sesotho language, but rather isiZulu with a few extra words and sounds and mispronounced click consonants).
- See IsiNdebele - UNESCO WORLD LANGUAGES REPORT SURVEY QUESTIONNAIRE , a good source. The article is confusing and should be changed. I don't think there's a "Sotho" language called "Ndebele". This seems to be confusion due to the fact that most Ndebele speak N. Sotho as well.
- I wonder if a local version of the famous aphorism "אַ שפראַך איז אַ דיאַלעקט מיט אַן אַרמײ און פֿלאָט" might be "A language is a dialect with a government-sponsored radio station and TV news bulletin!"
- OK, this has been fun, but I've been on WP waaay too much lately —Batamtig 02:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
WHEW!! I can't find any references in the article and there is a lot of detail. The genealogies look quite unnecessary in their present format and in any case have no sources. Most of the information is well outside the level of an encyclopedia article and belongs in a monograph or someone's personal homepage anyway. Can we prune this down so that it can retain the interest of a casual as well as close observer????--AssegaiAli 20:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- No response so I have pruned the material that has nothing to do with language or has no references--AssegaiAli (talk) 20:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
After http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=nbl Southern Ndebele belongs to Sotho-Tswana_languages and not to Nguni languages as do in opposite Northern Ndebele (http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=nde ) . Zyxoas already said it in a post of 28 December 2006, but it has not yet been corrected !!! Arno Lagrange ✉ 06:28, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Southern Ndebele language template
If you are a native speaker of Southern Ndebele then you can help translate this template into your own language:
Official language of South Africa?
I can't say for sure, because I still don't know what this article is supposed to be about, but it is my understanding that the official language that's called "isiNdebele" in the constitution is the Northern language that's more popular in Zimbabwe, possibly because of the confusion with the myriad of languages that bear the Southern Ndebele label.
Also, if that's true, then the statistic detailing the number of speakers can't be true, because the census would've been formulated with the understanding that it was counting speakers of constitutional languages, which Southern Ndebele, whatever its meaning, is not.