Talk:Star Trek: Planet of the Titans
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Review: August 21, 2013. ( ).
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- 1 Katzenberg?
- 2 GA Review
- 3 Factual Errors & Issues With the Piece
From the production section "Katzenberg informed the director on 8 May that the film was cancelled..."
- This review is transcluded from Talk:Star Trek: Planet of the Titans/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Jcc (talk · contribs) 10:12, 9 August 2013 (UTC) Hi and I will be reviewing this article for the GA Recruitment Centre and this will be my first review so feel free to correct me on any mistakes I make!
- Is it reasonably well written?
- Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
- Is it broad in its coverage?
- Is it neutral?
- Fair representation without bias:
- Is it stable?
- No edit wars, etc:
- Seems ok, bar 18.104.22.168's edit. One main editor, Miyagawa.
- No edit wars, etc:
- Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
- Pass or Fail:
Lead: If anything, it does seem a bit long around the second paragraph, but that is nit-picking a little. Spelling and grammar seem fine, though you might like to get rid of the red links regarding Jerry Isenberg.
- The sentence " James Bond film franchise Production designer Ken Adam" needs to be sorted out in terms of capitalisation and that it just seems to be a mouthful to say, a couple of suggestions are below:
- Ken Adam, the production designer for the James Bond films...
- The James Bond films production designer, Ken Adam...
I have spot-checked a few, and all seems fine, with some interesting references and well described via Template:Cite web. Everything that needs to be referenced is.
Is there no good images that could go into the infobox?
- Just a quick fly-by comment (I'll address the others later tonight) - typically on film articles they use the film poster. However, for this one they didn't get that far, in fact they didn't shoot anything at all as it was cancelled at the script stage. So it didn't feel appropriate to put anything in the infobox image-wise. Miyagawa (talk) 17:33, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Pass or fail?
@Miyagawa: As long as you address the concerns above, all seems like it is heading for a good pass.
Feedback from User:Figureskatingfan
@Miyagawa:As I'm doing this as part of the GA Recruitment Centre, I got feedback from Figureskatingfan that I think you should be aware of on my recruitment page regarding my prose review at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Good_articles/Recruitment_Centre/Recruiter_Central/Archives/Jcc#Step_three:_your_review . You should follow her suggestions to get a pass, since my review of the prose was rather hasty. jcc (tea and biscuits) 09:41, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
- No problem, I've changed that line in the lead as suggested and cleared the article of contractions. I've also rejigged the article to break down the Production (now Pre-production) section into subsections and moved out a couple of paragraphs into a new plot section. I actually went to check the other articles on cancelled films and found that there aren't any which have actually reached GA, so the structure is really up in the air to a certain extent. I did a double check and found some duplicate links, so those have now been removed. I also noticed that I had accidentally inserted Povill instead of Kaufman at one point, and that is now fixed too. Miyagawa (talk) 17:11, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
- I like the changes you've made, which means that you've fulfilled Criterias 1B and 3. However, I'd fail this article based on Criteria 1A, its prose. To that end, and to expedite things, I'll go ahead and copy-edit it without the more thorough review that I usually do. I have some questions, though:
- The second half of the second paragraph in "Background" is unclear to me. It seems that Ellison disagreed with Trabulus about inserting Mayans in the film, and quit over it. I think that all you need to say is that they disagreed about inserting the Mayans into the film. I'd also reword the entire thing, like this: "Ellison's treatment featured the crew forced to travel back in time to prevent a Reptilian race from wiping out humanity at the "dawn of time". He met with Paramount executives, including Barry Trabulus, who recently read Chariots of the Gods? by Erich von Däniken (1968) and wanted the Maya civilization to be featured in the film. Ellison and Trabulus disagreed, and Ellison left the meeting refusing to have anything more to do with the film."
- I suggested before that an image of Roddenberry be included, perhaps in the "Background" section. What do you think about that?
- I'd been trying to avoid it as I just don't like that shot of Roddenberry. It doesn't particularly look like him (although it is). However, I just checked and it was taken in 1976 - exactly the same time frame as the background section refers to. So I've added it. Miyagawa (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
- The first time you mention the writers (Bryant and Scott), other than in the infobox, is in the "Plot" section. I suggest that you identify with their full names and links, and then remove the links in the "Pre-production" section.
- You seem to be using British spelling; make sure that it's consistent, please.
- I don't think it's necessary to include Ken Adam's Academy Award. I think you could just identify him as "Academy-award winning production designer who had worked on the James Bond films".
I apologize for the hassle and the inconvenience having two reviewers has created. Thanks for your patience, and for indulging Jcc and I. I'm sure that if you answer the above questions, I'll support a pass. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:57, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Factual Errors & Issues With the Piece
Slightly panders to hardcore Star Trek fans
As with a lot of Star Trek themed articles here there's too much emphasis put within the body of the article on minutia such as study models ending up in later productions. I suggest that such material be relocated to a new section at the end of the article titled "Legacy" or something like that.
Removed Erroneous Material About Spinard
I excised the following:
Norman Spinrad created a treatment, called Star Trek: He Walked Among Us, which had been commissioned by the show's creator Gene Roddenberry as a vehicle for Milton Berle. Spinrad had previously written the episode "The Doomsday Machine" for The Original Series. The script for He Walked Among Us was written into a comedy by Gene Coon, and later cancelled.
...because it is dead wrong about Norman Spinrad's "He Walks Among Us" script, which was submitted to the Original series and was not related to the attempts to make a film, and Coon was never involved in the motion picture projects. There are primary source documents which confirm this. It should be deleted, regardless of what the cited source says. It's simply wrong.
Factual Issues and Sources
Toshiro Mifune. While Mifune was someone Kaufman would have liked to have play the Klingon, there's no evidence that he was ever contacted, let alone a sure thing. This should be rephrased to reflect such casting was Kaufman's desire.
McQuarrie's Star Warsy Enterprise. Too much is made of McQuarrie's Enterprise renderings. In point of fact, most of the surviving sketches and concepts for the film feature the Ken Adam based version, which featured a much smaller hull which was less Star Destroyer-esque. This McQuarrie/Star Wars design connection has become received knowledge but isn't based on fact, as any thorough review of the production related materials beyond the Star Trek Phase II and Art of Star Trek books make clear. Primary source material from Adam and McQuarrie, in both articles and books of their work, paint a clearer and more accurate picture of the designs and their influences.
Olaf Stapeldon. In an interview in Mediascene 30, Mar-Apr 1978, McQuarrie mentions that one of his concept drawings is based on a scene in Olaf Stapeldon's "The Star Maker". That book is also mentioned as some of the reading undertaken by screenwriters Scott and Bryant and director Kaufman as reported in the Star Trektennial News Vol. III, No. 19 — January–February 1977, edited by Gene Roddenberry's assistant Susan Sackett, so there was a bigger Stapeldon influence that "First and Last Men" alone.
The one note here is inaccurate. Probert's design for the Next Generation Enterprise was not based on Jefferies "Phase II" ship, that was The Motion Picture ship on which he was one of the designers.
- Spinrad, Norman (February 24, 2012). "Star Trek – He Walked Among Us". Norman Spinrad at Large. Retrieved July 28, 2013.