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Alternative Point of View[edit]

I have tried to remove some of the "astronomer bias" out of this article. The fact remains that commercial star naming companies disclaim association with the scientific community and inform consumers that star naming is a novelty gift. Informed consumers make the purchase anyway. This is a controversial subject where only the astronomers view is being provided. I have tried to temper the astronomers bias out of this controversy. My edits should stand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glennconti (talkcontribs) 14:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Star Names – R. H. Allen's book[edit]

I decided to reinstate this section. It was deleted by a prior contributor on the grounds that it might be considered advertising. However, Star Names has long been the standard source and a mention of it could hardly be construed as advertising. In addition, given that it can occasionally mislead as well as illuminate, a discussion of its shortcomings seems appropriate here. Skeptic2 15:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

PS: And as there is an entry on it in Wikipedia I have added a link. Skeptic2 15:08, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

In order to support your statement (protecting from long-fingered policy warriors): Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning is a public domain source because of expired copyright, and yes: it is a standard source, verily! But I think the ISBN numbering should be in the references part, so that the book name can be in the text, but the ISBN numbering should be embraced by a <ref></ref> pair. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 10:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Did so ... said: Rursus (bork²) 10:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Allen's book, II[edit]

I think the mention of Allens book should be complemented by some mentioning of it's reliability. It's a standard work, yes, but it is considered unreliable by some[who?] ... gonna find srces somewhere ... as regards to ... eh ... most certainly the proposed Assyrian/Babylonian/Mesopotamian interpretations that Allen is providing, and maybe also the Chinese names. The general trouble is not Allen himself, but some sources that he relies on. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 19:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

No, Gary D. Thompson writes that:
For Western constellations and star names use of Richard Allen's Star-Names should be replaced with:
  1. Planetarium Babylonicum, by Felix Gössmann (1950) (but now becoming outdated);
  2. Egyptian Astronomical Texts, by Otto Neugebauer and Richard Parker (3 Volumes, 1960-1969);
  3. Gestirnnamen bei den indogermanischen Völken, by Anton Scherer (1953);
  4. (importantly) Le vocabulaire latin de l'Astronomie, by André Le Boeuffle (3 Volumes, 1973) (who traces both Greek and Babylonian antecedents for Latin constellation/star names); and
  5. Arabische Sternnamen in Europa, by Paul Kunitzsch (1959);
and for star lore its use can be replaced with:
  1. Mythen der Sterne, by Friedrich Norman (1925);
  2. The New Patterns in the Sky: Myths and Legends of the Stars, by Julius Staal (1988); and
  3. (importantly) Beyond the Blue Horizon: Myths and Legends of the Sun, Moon, Stars, and Planets, by Ed. Krupp (1991).
which essentially means that Allen is almost totally obsolete, with a possible exception of the Chinese star names. Possibly instead:
I. The Mesopotamian traditions - Akkadian/Babylonian mostly
II. The Mediterranean traditions - Mycenean (?) or Minoan (?) origins of the non-mesopotamian constellations
for some of these references. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 19:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)