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Shouldn't it be either "Dr. Stephen Edred Flowers" OR "Stephen Edred Flowers, Ph.D."? ("Department of Redundancy Department, Dr. Stephen Flowers, PhD speaking...").
Dr. can indicate a PhD, PsyD, MD, and a few other doctoral degrees. Including the PhD clarifies his background. Henchperson 01:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- On the contrary, it's redundant when used in combination with the title "Doctor," since that is the title associated with the degree. Dr. Stephen Flowers is ambiguous, Stephen Flowers, Ph.D. makes it clear that he has an academic doctorate, but Dr. Stephen Flowers, Ph.D. is just gilding the lily.Benami 01:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- More than that, it would also seem to show an American bias. I went to the biographies stylebook [] to get some sort of guidance on the use of the title, and found "In Britain and the Commonwealth, Ph.D.'s and other non-medical doctors are commonly called "Mr." or "Ms./Mrs./Miss" outside of the academic community." I'm dropping the title. Benami 01:36, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- In America, it's generally considered crass to go by "Doctor X" unless you're a medical doctor or clinical psychologist. It's somewhat more accepted in some of the hard sciences and archaeology (and some of the branches of anthropology and folklore), but on the whole, not common. Needless to say, there are people who do so anyway (especially people in extremely "soft" fields like Ed and Social Work), but good taste dictates otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 01:46, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
re: "Flowers was involved with the Church of Satan in the 1970's and left with a faction of members to create the Temple of Set, of which he is still an member holding the rank of magus V°."
No, Dr. Flowers was not a member of the Church of Satan in the 1970's, and he was not among the group of such members that created the Temple of Set. Dr. Flowers joined the Temple of Set quite a few years later (several years after I did). Yes, Dr. Flowers is still a member of the Temple, holding the degree (we don't use the term "rank") of Magus (capitalized), V°. Balanone 03:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
- Flowers himself stated he joined the CoS in 1972. If you see any other inaccuracies, or want to clarify, edit away, by all means. WeniWidiWiki 07:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
That's news to me; I can't speak for 1972; I only know he was not one of those who left the CoS to form the ToS in 1975. Will check before making any edits. Thanks. Balanone 20:29, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I have removed this bit of conjecture:
- It is believed that Flowers and Gardenstone rely heavily on Karl Spiesberger runic texts - Thorsson when writing under the pen name 'Edred Thorsson' in his more exoteric texts as opposed to his scholarly ones under the name 'Flowers' – this is believed because their is so much in common in both Flowers and Gardenstone’ works [Flowers also refers to Spiesberger in his books but not as references] - for example, their writings about Galdr, the Runenstada (Runic body postures) and the connection between runes and trees and animals and all that Gardenstone and Thorsson had to do was think of something new for 6 solitary runes, because when you look at the works of all three you will find that everything else has been adopted from Spießberger. It must be noted that additional to this, the rune-rituals in "Runenmagie" (by Thorsson) can be found in Spießberger’ Runenmagie. Thorsson has only added the additional runes of the 24 Elder Futhark and commented for the runes Mannaz and Hagalaz that the posture from the 18 Armanen Futhark can be used.
This needs to be sourced. Keep in mind Flowers actually translated some of Spiesberger's writings into english and published them. - WeniWidiWiki 22:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC)