Talk:Stephen J. Bartowski

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Kind of a stretch[edit]

"Stephen's wrist-mounted computer pad is a nod to the similar device worn by the aliens in the Predator films." Or maybe it's a "nod" to ACTUAL devices that really exist. (talk) 15:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


I paused on all the close-ups of Stephen's files in "Chuck Versus the Ring: Part II". Displayed on the right is what I gathered:

Ted Roark



Phase Two

The Aries Papers

The Triangulum

The Fornax Group




--Boycool42 (talk) 22:07, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Some interesting stuff in there, however it's FAR too early to make any sort of conclusions on what some of these mean. Ambaryer (talk) 23:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Is it too early to include this information on here? Or possibly on here? --Boycool42 (talk) 01:11, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
My thinking would be to wait and see what we get from Fedak and Schwartz between now and the season premier. They're bound to provide SOME early information on what we saw in the basement closer to the new season. As for adding it as a Facility on the Gadgets page, let's make sure that we actually SEE Stephen's basement again in Season 4. If it doesn't show up again there's not really much need to add it there. Ambaryer (talk) 03:33, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
What we can gather from this:
1. Ted Roark is dead (obviously), and Stephen somehow found out about it.
2. The identity of Orion (which we know is Stephen)
3. Stephen knows the identity of Hydra (technician of the Intersect?)
4. The Triangulum has been captured.
5. Mary Elizabeth Bartowski didn't abandon the family; She went missing.

The Fornax Group is likely his unidentified threat. In addition, Stephen's laptop from "Chuck Versus the Predator" was in the basement.--Boycool42 (talk) 15:44, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Breaking it down point-by-point:
1. Yeah, we know Roark is dead. We didn't need Stephen's papers for that, so these are irrelevant.
2. As you said, we already know this so not really important.
3. As of right now, we don't know if Hydra is a Who or a What. Keep in mind we have SEVERAL references to Greek Mythology and astronomy (Ares, Orion, Perseus, Corvus, etc.) While I'm of the opinion the pattern IS significant, we don't have enough information yet to determine just what that significance is. IIRC, the only codename given for the Intersect Project itself has been Sandwall, (Chuck Versus the Nemesis) and the only mythological/astronomical references in regards to it has been the codenames of Stephen and Busgang. They could just be members of a government think tank who happened to be working on the Intersect as well, rather than the use of those names being directly connected to the project.
4. They're captured. Good to know, but probably insignificant. I'm sure this is just going to end up being background on Stephen's private spy activities and irrelevant to the plot of Season 4.
5. I disagree that we can automatically conclude Mama B "went missing" rather than leaving. She may still have left the family by her own decision like Stephen did later, and only vanished sometime after (for all we know, she was still in contact with Stephen after she left). This is the only point that we really have ANY sort of substantial information on, as the episode seems to imply Mama B is under protective custody. But even that's not enough to really draw any conclusions.
6. With the Fornax Group we only have a name, nothing to specifically connect it with the unidentified threat Stephen mentioned. It may never even appear in Season 4.
There's just not enough to "gather" or conclude anything. Ambaryer (talk) 16:07, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

When the man calls Mama B to tell her she needs to move, it seems like:

A. She is in witness protection or something of the sort.
B. She is working for Stephen's unidentified threat.
And in either case her cover/identity/location/etc. has been compromised (by Chuck's discovery of Stephen's files?) --Boycool42 (talk) 16:15, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Could Hydra be Mama B? --Boycool42 (talk) 19:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that's likely, why would he have a separate file for Hydra and Mama B if they were the same person (IE, he had a file on himself as Orion, but not one under his own name). Ambaryer (talk) 20:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Hmm...A wizard did it! --Boycool42 (talk) 20:42, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Chuck Versus Phase Three? --Boycool (talk) 12:54, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

"Hydra" was revealed to be Alexei Volkoff's infrastructure of weapons buyers and sellers in "Chuck Versus the Gobbler". --Boycool (talk) 18:49, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Technology in the basement[edit]

As of "Chuck Versus the First Fight"...

What else? --Boycool (talk) 12:45, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

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