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Unlabelled comment[edit]

The last version was somewhat inaccurate. The non point source provisions of the clean water act were adopted by congress in 1987. It took EPA a few years to issue the first NPDES permits under phase I of the program. Most permits were issued by EPA or the responsible state agencies to phase I permittees around 1991. Some areas were a bit earlier and some a bit later. Phase II of the program kicked in in 2003, which primarily added small cities of less than 100,000 persons, other large property owners such as school districts, and construction sites of 1 acre or more to the NPDES permitting requirements. - Richard Haimann

Hi Richard. Do you have credible sources that you can provide as references to your claim? Could you also be a bit more specific to what you're commenting about and what changes/alterations you are seeking to make? Thanks. Cameronhassibi (talk) 00:00, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
I've already made those corrections. Haimann's comment dates back to 2005.(!) Some of the material on that topic was moved to, or was already covered by, more specific articles, such as United States regulation of point source water pollution and Clean Water Act. References are provided in those other articles. Moreau1 (talk) 01:08, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

article title should be stormwater[edit]

more commonly in the technical literature, stormwater is one word not two. obviously there should be a redirect from storm water. Anlace 20:20, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. There is definitely a mix of both the one-word and the two-word variations. For example, the City of San Diego uses the two-word version[1]. I believe that "storm water" should be two words rather than just one. Cameronhassibi (talk) 23:09, 31 October 2016 (UTC)


Regulation in United States[edit]

I added sub-sections for Federal and State & local requirements. This is a rapidly evolving topic as more states are issuing regulations & publications, as well as municipalities (MS4s). The deleted statement, "Many States, ... have created their own regulatory agencies to act as an intermediary between the EPA and the municipalities and industries." is a bit confusing, as the authorized NPDES states (currently 45) carry out the federal CWA requirements directly, not as an intermediary between EPA & regulated facilities. Moreau1 (talk) 07:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I dont understand why details of Federal and state law should be included. This topic isnt specific to US. (talk) 20:56, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
There are now more stormwater-related articles, and country-specific articles, than there were back in 2007 (when I wrote that stuff) and there are more appropriate places to put this material. I will move it to United States regulation of point source water pollution. Moreau1 (talk) 00:19, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
I didn't agree with moving the entire piece (without even leaving a link to the other page!). So I have put some content back in and provided a link to the other page. Do you agree? I think it could be useful to mention regulations in other countries, too, and link to relevant other pages if they exist. EvMsmile (talk) 12:25, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
That's OK, but in this shortened version, a bit more explanation of the US program is needed--"NPDES" is not explained. The permit program needs to be described, at least briefly; that could be added to the "Federal requirements" paragraph. The current text doesn't explain that the 1987 CWA amendments require stormwater dischargers to obtain permits. This is a major point of the law. Hopefully an explanation can be written that doesn't end up with a reinsertion of all of the previous text. (NPDES, as a separate topic, does not yet have its own article.) Moreau1 (talk) 17:31, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Or perhaps in this case it might be better to shorten it even further so that it really just is a teaser to point people to the other article? Unforunately, I know nothing about the US program, so would not be in a good position to add more content back in. EvMsmile (talk) 01:37, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
If you just restore the second paragraph that was in the "Federal requirements" section ("Under the CWA, point source discharges..."} that should take care of it. I will look into simplifying the "State and local" section. Moreau1 (talk) 03:51, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

I can't remember anymore where to find that second paragraph. Could you please do it yourself? Thanks a lot. EvMsmile (talk) 01:54, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

No problem, already done (27 February). Moreau1 (talk) 03:23, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Erosion and Sediment Controls[edit]

I added a link to the erosion control article. We also need an article for sediment control (silt fences, etc.) that we can link to. Moreau1 (talk) 07:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I added a sediment control article on 12 July 2008. Moreau1 (talk) 03:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Title: Water, Subject: Filth[edit]

I came to this page to learn about the electrical and chemical properties of water, and instead I read about city filth, bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo, and similar mind-numbing topics. There is not a single article about actual water on this whole site! -- Anonymous — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:26, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

The article you're looking for does indeed exist. It's called water. Moreau1 (talk) 14:57, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

History of anthropogenic alterations in storm water[edit]

I believe that the history of storm water is a bit too short and awkward. The article begins discussion during the Bronze Age, references an ancient storm water conveyance system, and then comes to an abrupt end. I think there should be more of an in-depth history portion to the article--one that is primarily focused on the boom of the Industrial Revolution. I'm arbitrary choosing this time period due to the increase in industrial/commercial pollution associated with toxic runoff in storm water systems, and because of the associated growth of cities (and therefore impervious surfaces). Perhaps a brief discussion on the Industrial Revolution with a transition into the post WWII boom of both population and city space would be appropriate. Basically, I'm envisioning a History section which connects rapid socioeconomic growth within the last 100 or so years with increases in issues with storm water (be it conveyance and/or non-point source pollution). Cameronhassibi (talk) 23:57, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good, please proceed! I recommend you take a look at related articles such as urbanization, urban design, and land development. These articles may have some useful concepts and references. Moreau1 (talk) 00:53, 1 November 2016 (UTC)