Talk:Sukhoi Su-34

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Confusion regarding designations[edit]

I've got a book titled Superfighters: The Next Generation of Combat Aircraft, in which there are heaps of designations about the Su-34. There are the Su-27IB, Su-27KU, Su-27UB, plus a few of these T-10V-2 known within Sukhoi. Can someone please sort this out!? Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 04:56, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm also confused, by the wording in the first paragraph of Origins and Testing. It's unclear until re-re-re-read. "Pij" (talk) 15:29, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

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Su-34 + bomber + the interceptor[edit]

Based on Su-27 Flanker, it is designed for precision strikes, including strikes with nuclear weapons by air, ground and sea targets, at any time of day. And aerial reconnaissance. To act independently or in groups. To pinpoint attacks against, stationary and moving targets. Equipped to deal with interference, false targets, firing response.[1]

this is a very good source says 89.105.158.243 (talk) 15:31, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Oborona is not a reliable news site. (Hohum @) 12:40, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

OKEY) is the official site of the developer in English now89.105.158.243 (talk) 16:56, 16 November 2014 (UTC) http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su32/

Unfortunately, the text you have added is in such poor English as to be incomprehensible, also, please stop edit warring. (Hohum @) 20:07, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
The IP being used by the editor is in Russia, so the editor probably understands Russian well, but makes mistakes in English. He/she is also making mistakes because he/she seems to be in a hurry. Can I suggest that the IP editor uses the talk page to say what he/she wants, giving citations, and we can work together to build up the text.
If we are going to add significantly more information to the text, then issues of structure and repetition are important. These can be address on the talk page.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:53, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
You know, there is a Russian language WP that this user can contribute to, asuming they are fluent in Russian, and have not been blocked or banned on Russian WP. People shouldn't make other editors spend hours trying to figure out what they mean. I speak a little Spanish, but not fluently, so I don't contribute there. Perhaps I'm just naive, but I expect others to show the same sense here on English WP. I know it's the largest WP, so many people fell the need for whatever reason to try to contribute here, even if it's incomprehensible. But WP:COMPETENCE is a good idea. - BilCat (talk) 05:36, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Russian aircraft are loaded with exotic innovations that are difficult to track by non-Russian speakers. It's not difficult for us to sort out good info posted here on the Talk Page, even if badly-written by non-English speakers. The Su-34 is over 20 years old and we still know very little about it. Sure, it can be a little extra work, but it's often worth it. Santamoly (talk) 20:33, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Paragraph that needs rewriting[edit]

I have moved the following paragraph to the talk page so that it can be rewritten in the English language and developed into something useful.

Radar system of the Su-34 can warn of the attack behind the attack and respond without turning the aircraft. The radar can simultaneously attack the 4 goals (in the air, on land or on the water). Has 12 dots for carrying weapons. Able to bear air to air missiles R-77 (pcs 6) and R-73 (still 6). Maximum weight a single of the munition 4000 kg, the maximum range of the munition for the attack 250[2] km.[3] Maximum range for flight and attack of 4000 km, and with refueling in the air 7000 km. The cockpit is a continuous capsule of armor. Maximum detection range of targets in the air 200-250km.[4]

I suspect that the information should be split into different paragraphs. It seems to miss out all the important stuff - for example the forward radar is a passive electronically scanned array radar. "Dots" should say "hard points".-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:11, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Maximum detection range of targets in the air for forward radar is a passive electronically scanned array radar 200-250km.[5] Radar system of the Su-34 can warn of the attack behind the attack and respond without turning the aircraft. The radar can simultaneously attack the 4 goals (in the air, on land or on the water).

Has 12 hard points for carrying weapons. Able to bear air to air missiles R-77 (pcs 6) and R-73 (still 6). Maximum weight a single of the munition 4000 kg. The maximum range of the munition for the attack 250[6] km.[7]

Maximum range for flight and attack of 4000 km, and with refueling in the air 7000 km. The cockpit is a continuous capsule of armor.

?this is permissible? 89.105.158.243 (talk) 10:45, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

References[edit]

  1. ^ http://www.oborona.ru/includes/periodics/armament/2014/0317/151412845/detail.shtml
  2. ^ http://www.airforceworld.com/bomber/eng/su34.htm
  3. ^ http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/Su-32_48.html
  4. ^ http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bomber/su34.html
  5. ^ http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bomber/su34.html
  6. ^ http://www.airforceworld.com/bomber/eng/su34.htm
  7. ^ http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/Su-32_48.html

Radar question[edit]

It can simultaneously engage four targets, is there any information as to how many targets it can track and scan, and whether it can simultaneously track, scan and engage?-KTo288 (talk) 13:56, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

2015 Russian military intervention in Syria[edit]

Local aid agencies report strikes against civilian and rebel (not ISIS) targets. The section claims only ISIS targets have been attacked.

I hope we don't see an edit war here. However I'd like to add balance to this section. Any thoughts?

Edit: I removed the claim, the source is not reputable, often doing things such as claiming grain silos are ISIS controlled oil facilities.

Development, Original research.[edit]

In the first half of the article, if briefly mentions a "new nose" in a single sentence. It discusses the different radar stinger, different this, different that, but never anything about the major structural modification required to make the nose; if not for the photos, I'd be picturing a simple modified Su-27 variant, not one with a two-seat cockpit grafted to the front. This ought to be covered at greater length in the text. As it is, it doesn't discuss the new cockpit until the very end of the article, yet I'm sure the new cockpit was very important from a design and development point of view.

Next, in the section discussing Syria, I'm sorry, but I don't think "carrying what appears to be a FAB500 guided munition" is acceptable. That sounds very much like original research. It's not up to the person editing the article to evaluate and decide what the aircraft was carrying. If you can find an account where a creditable person says that Su-34's in Libya carry such weapons, fine, but "because I saw it with my own eyes" is not considered a proper reference. Now, if a creditable defense analyst says that he believes that he has identified Su-34's carrying such weapons in an article, then you can write that he claims that they did. DYI weapons spotting = no-no. AnnaGoFast (talk) 01:07, 29 May 2016 (UTC)