Talk:Sumo

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Former good article Sumo was one of the good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
Date Process Result
March 8, 2006 Good article nominee Listed
December 4, 2006 Featured article candidate Not promoted
March 10, 2007 Good article reassessment Delisted
Current status: Delisted good article

Contradiction: weight divisions[edit]

Under Bout preparation, the article says that "There are no weight divisions in sumo". Under Amateur sumo, it says that amateur tournaments under the International Sumo Federation are divided into weight classes. Presumably the first sentence just needs some words added, like "typically in sumo" or "in professional sumo" or "in sumo (except in the ISF)" or some other variation, whatever is correct. But I would not presume to know what is the correct correction, so I've just tagged the contradiction and am leaving it for someone who knows what they're talking about to fix.

Please post any discussion here. --142.205.241.254 (talk) 19:04, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Good point, this is easy enough to fix, will do so immediately. FourTildes (talk) 21:13, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Manual of Style Issues[edit]

I've noticed all Asian martial arts articles tend to have drifted from the Wikipedia:Manual of Style, specifically in relation to: -

Foreign words should be used sparingly. [1]

Some topics are intrinsically technical, but editors should try to make them understandable to as many readers as possible. Minimize jargon, or at least explain it; or tag it using

or [jargon] for other editors to fix. [2]

In the case of this article, Sumo, it appears that the lead in paragraph obeys the manual of style almost perfectly, but the further down the article you get the quality drops sharply. Rather than having to click on every foreign and / or technical word I find to learn the description, the description (which in most cases is a word, possibly two or three at most) should be used in the article with the foreign word in parentheses thereafter. BaSH PR0MPT (talk) 17:29, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Article surgery[edit]

I started out moving sentences around that were misplace and clarifying other areas, but I finally decided to handle some of the bloat. Sumo and shinto and Controversies were big enough (and secondary enough) to be moved to their own articles. Eastern martial arts in comparison to sumo, former rikishi in mixed martial arts, and memorabilia all had small sections and are largely irrelevant. It was a hard choice (the memorabilia section was one of my first contributions to wikipedia). They are not forgotten. I am thinking a lot of it could be integrated into a full-fledged Rikishi article, and I have saved all of the text. FourTildes (talk) 15:28, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

So I think the sumo article is much more digestible now. The first two sections I took out have been moved to two new not too short articles: Controversies in sumo and Shinto origins of sumo. I never really took a good look at how convoluted that Shinto origins section had become, but I tried to fix it up for it's article debut. Both of these articles are linked in the sumo article so will hopefully still get attention. The remaining sections I took out: memorabilia, difference from martial arts, mixed martial ex-rikishi, and foreign participation have all been integrated into rikishi which is no longer a redirect and which also has extra summaries of rikishi life etc. at the beginning. I made the decision to keep in Life as a pro rikishi material in the main article, because I think it touches the most on what makes the world of sumo so different, even though it might well fit in the heya article or the rikishi article. I also thought the salary info was important enough, as again it is different from most sports. I made the mistake of thinking I could look at the Japanese sumo article for guidance. I have never seen such a bloated mess in a wikipedia article. Everything is there all wiggledy piggledy (always wanted to say that. Anyway.. FourTildes (talk) 07:12, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Good article relisting[edit]

Is there any interest in trying to get Sumo at least relisted as a Good Article with a view towards Featured Article - I noticed the work done by User talk:FourTildes and really don't think it is that far off.Peter Rehse (talk) 15:44, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Did Sumo originate in Japan or China?[edit]

Dear Wikipedia,

The article "Sumo" is not clear as to whether or not Sumo originated in Japan or China. The info box on the right says China, and the article body says Japan.

I am not a Sumo expert and cannot clarify this issue on my own; it is my hope that among you exists an individual who can rectify this situation.

Sincerely,

Spockanori — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spockanori (talkcontribs) 01:41, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

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The Decline In Sumo.[edit]

I feel that to improve the page there should be talk about how sumo has declined due to modernization in Japan. It guides the reader to a then and now perspective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MariaAlvar40 (talkcontribs) 19:09, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

missing information[edit]

This article does not mention anything about the Chinese origins of sumo. Tooironic (talk) 01:58, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

That would be a {{citation required}} problem. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 04:38, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
G'day! I just read it on Baidu. No reference yet. Tooironic (talk) 11:29, 9 March 2017 (UTC)