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Three sources are already cited in the text, and more are readily available on Internet. User:PHG

This entire article is written from a Greco-philic perspective. I'm sure there was more to the Sunga empire than mere persecution of Buddhism for the fun of it, just as I'm sure there was more to the Bactrian attacks on the Sungas than naive altruistic intentions. I am highly suspicious of any article that seems to draw the bulk of its narrative from W.W. Tarn simply because that man was shameless in the unjustified praise he lavished on Alexander. I am doubly suspicious of accounts of history that construct their entire narrative in relation to the Greeks. After all, this is supposed to be an entry on the Sungas, not on the valour of Indo-Greek white knights. User: Pavs

Rename/ Merge[edit]

I am not an expert so this is both a request for information and a way to streamline things that has me a little confused.

If you go to Magaadha, or the History of South Asia it lists the Sunga as merely a dynasty of Maghada among 4 other dynasties if that is the case then I think the Sunga Empire should be a redirect to Sunga Dynasty and the both the articles merged into Sunga Dynasty. Sunga dynasty anyway looks like a cut and paste section of this page. Also a a little table at the bottom showing both the preceding and antecedent dynasties should be included and placed under Maghada. The same holds true for the Mauryans I suppose. I will raise the issue on the Mauryan pages as well so that wikipedia articles are a little more clear.--Tigeroo 13:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Attitude towards Buddhism[edit]

My rationale for making the sectin succint. The article is about the entire Sunga dynasty. The debate is about just one singular member of that dynasty. It seems to be overdoing the emphasis in the article by focusing too much of the article on one who seems like an odd man out, in an article about the many.

I beleive it is enough to mention him, mention the debate around him, and mention how this contrasted with or reflected the general attitude of the dynasty as a whole. There are links to two other articles, Decline of Buddhism in India, and Pushyamitras own page, where the information is more specifically and fully explored. Feel free to come and help in the editing the details on those page.

I am being bold here and saying we need to condens and not overdo the exposure to the debate in this particular page.--Tigeroo 18:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to check the reference "Sarvastivada p 38-39" but that reference seems to be ambiguous or incomplete. The Sarvastivada is a Buddhist philosophical tradition, not a book. Could you please supply a complete citation so that people who want to read the source material can? Charles haynes (talk) 09:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Indragnimitra not a king[edit]

Not keen on changing text before discussion. Reference Shailendra Bhandare, ‘Numismatics and History: The Maurya-Gupta Interlude in the Gangetic Plain’. In: Patrick Olivelle, Between the Empires: Society in India 300 BCE to 400 CE. Oxford 2006, 67-112.

Bandhare explains that "when the [Bodhgaya] inscription itself is consulted afresh from its estampages, it becomes clear that the very indication that Indrāgnimitra was a king, or Kurangī a queen, is doubtful." Reason: - no title appended to Indrāgnimitra - epithet of Kurangī "prajāvatī" meaning 'queen' is an assumption - therefore Indrāgnimitra assumed to be king.

Bandhare continues: Nevertheless "a general consensus prevails on identifying this Indrāgnimitra as a ruler who struck coins in the 'Pāñcāla' series. But no coins bearing the name Indrāgnimitra are known in the series." Reason: - there are coins with name Agnimitra - there are coins with name Indramitra - both type struck by separate issuer

Question: Should Wikipedia mention Indrāgnimitra as Śunga king when referring to the Bodhgaya inscription? Suggestion: No, or assumptions should be presented as assumptions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikijamin (talkcontribs) 22:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Mathura not part of Sunga empire[edit]

Mathura was well outside the Sunga Empire. The Map shows it almost on the border or inside it. The Maturas and Panchalas(between yamuna and ganges) along with the Indo-greeks(in punjab/haryana/himachal and northern pakistan) were allied against the Sungas as they all were related by marital alliances with the Mauryas whom the Sungas had overthrown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:49, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 28 July 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Moved per reasons given below. — kwami (talk) 23:21, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

(non-admin closure)

Śuṅga EmpireShunga Empire – The primary and consistent name for this article is now Shunga Empire (which is currently a redirect to this page). The use of IAST in the title, while accurate, is unnecessary and inconsistent with the naming conventions employed for articles on other Indian empires. The IAST spelling is, in any case, prominently displayed in the article's lead. --Cpt.a.haddock (talk) 09:06, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Support: For reasons stated above. --Cpt.a.haddock (talk) 09:06, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Diacritics aside, it appears that "Sunga Empire" much more common in the sources than "Shunga Empire". "Sunga Empire" returns 924 hits on Google Books, while "Shunga Empire" returns 97.--Cúchullain t/c 18:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
@Cuchullain: Unfortunately, Google fails to differentiate between Śuṅga and Sunga and lumps all results together. Sunga is definitely prevalent but is, IMO, essentially an unintended by-product of the use of IAST as the diacritics have been casually dropped. Instead, please consult reliable sources such as those by historians Romila Thapar (here), Burjor Avari (here), Hermann Kulke (here), Wendy Doniger (here), et al which all prefer Shunga. The linked books are all written for the general populace and avoid the use of the IAST diacritics. Scholarly work does largely prefer IAST and uses Śuṅga as the spelling variant of choice. Thanks.--Cpt.a.haddock (talk) 19:28, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Support in principle, but someone with far more expertise than I should decide between "Shunga" and "Sunga" Red Slash 19:29, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
  • @Red Slash: Comment As a person with far more expertise, if you prefer the choice without diacriticals (not the Śuṅga version), it would be Shunga. It's even in the style guide for romanising that ś > sh. Ogress smash! 22:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Support for the reasons given, and because it is in accordance with our policy at WP:NCIN. Imc (talk) 21:33, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

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Mitra dynasty (moved from Cpt.a.haddock's talk page)[edit]

Look at the references provided on the Mitra dynasty article. All the references are provided. (2600:1001:B012:95BC:C11F:F9C9:72F8:2BEB (talk) 18:02, 14 July 2017 (UTC))

Hi. You're modifying a statement that lacks an inline citation. Please fix that first. And no, we cannot assume that any mention of Mathuras automagically implies that it's the Mitras being spoken of as they ruled Mathura. You'll have to establish that in this article. Thanks.--Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 18:20, 14 July 2017 (UTC)