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About the sources I didn't put up[edit]

I do have a source for this, since I don't know how to add citations.

1. https://www.ssbwiki.com/Super_Smash_Bros._(series)

2. www.romajidesu.com/translator (Just simply drag the Japanese sentence, wait for the translation, hover or click on 大, and then 乱闘. And it will give you Great Fray Smash Brothers (Dai rantō Sumasshu Burazāzu, 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ) --PSI Thunder (talk) 17:04, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

This message is actually rather stale, since the reversion in question was made almost a month ago. If you would like to reapply the change on Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U, please do so. As for my opinion on these, SSBWiki is not a reliable source, while romajidesu seems okay; it doesn't have to be included as an inline citation, though. Thanks for trying. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 17:17, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Can you find an actual reliable source that states "Great Fray"? And if you ask me, why are we using unofficial translations anyway? Simply going with the romaji is enough. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:18, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Tell me, where's your source for Superfight, numerous wiki sites I went said Great Fray. And even the Zelda Wiki says it, no other sites I went to confirm Superfight.

I'll show you a list of what I mean:

1.https://zelda.gamepedia.com/Super_Smash_Bros._Melee

2.https://www.ssbwiki.com/Super_Smash_Bros._(series)

3.https://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._(series)

4.https://supersmashbros.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._series --PSI Thunder (talk) 23:38, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

This discussion has been moved from my user Talk page to the relevant article's Talk page. Please post all subsequent replies here. Thanks. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 23:40, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
You don't understand what we're telling you. External wikis are unreliable sources as those websites are also community-driven. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:00, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm just asking where the source for Superfight is because that doesn't seem to be official either, and the non-wiki sites I went to say Great Melee also.--PSI Thunder (talk) 00:25, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment None of the sources above are reliable or suitable for a translation. Secondly, a translation shouldn't even be listed unless an official source exists for it. That includes the currently listed "Superfight" translation. Only the actual Japanese title and its Hepburn should be there, unless there's a source. In effect, the statement "Known in Japan as Some English Text" is simply incorrect. It is known in Japan by it's Japanese name, in Japanese. They don't go around literally saying "Superfight" in English. (Feel free to correct me on that with a reliable source though!) Recommendation is to remove the translation until a reliable source appears. Other wikis are, by definition, unreliable as user generated. Also just a random comment, Google translates the Japanese Wiki's article as "Grand Slaughter" :) Which is way cooler. In a different spot it translates to "Big Brawl". This is why only an official translation should be used. -- ferret (talk) 00:46, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
    • This is what I argued. We shouldn't be using any sort of unofficial translation here. Simply having the kanji+romaji is all we need, not some sort of unofficial Engrish that some user thinks is more correct that other readings. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:07, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

If what I said was "unofficial engrish" then why did you keep changing Great Fray to Superfight. Oh right, because you wanted to me to provide an "official" or "reliable source" of info that confirms this. I tried searching and there was nothing I could possibly find. I looked for a source for Superfight, again... nothing I could find. I even asked you where the source was and there was not a single straight answer. So my point is none of the Smash Bros. pages should use either terms until there's as least an official confirmation of either the two. I would also like to take the time to apologize for the huge misunderstanding, I added what I thought was correct and turned out false. I will say though, I didn't add Superfight there, someonelse did. --PSI Thunder (talk) 01:34, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

  • I never argued that was in any way better, I was simply reverting back to status quo until you provided a reliable source for your own claims. I already stated that it's best to not even have any of these there, as none of them are official. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 02:04, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
  • This article title doesn't even need a Japanese translation. It has an English title and is primarily known by this English title. It's not necessary to provide titles in the language of their origin if the product has received an English title for use in English-speaking regions. I am no longer watching this pageping if you'd like a response czar 03:45, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Bayonetta[edit]

I notice an IP is consistently changing Bayonetta from belonging to Sega to belonging to Platinum Games. My stance on the issue is that Platinum Games had partnered with Sega during the development of SSB4 while developing Bayonetta. Thus, it is necessary to leave these statements alone. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 20:41, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

  • This was discussed before, and I believe we simply decided to go with who owns the IP, which for Bayonetta happens to be Sega. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:09, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

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Offical Smash Bros site can be used for citation in Playable Characters section[edit]

The official nintendo smash site smashbros.com[1] gives a full list of playable base and DLC characters, and can be used as a citation for that section. 8bitbanana (talk) 12:54, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Done SparklingPessimist Scream at me! 19:40, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

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