Talk:Sussex County, New Jersey

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William Poole is a notable Sussex County native[edit]

William Poole was a leader of the American Republican Party. He was a well known political figure of his time. Thousands attended his funeral procession. Graham Wellington (talk) 03:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

  • He lived in Sussex until he was 11. The connection between his notability and Sussex County is not adequate for inclusion on a list of county notables. Alansohn (talk) 03:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Assessment comments[edit]

These have been moved here from a subpage as part of a cleanup process. See Wikipedia:Discontinuation of comments subpages.

I have assessed this article as C-class and identified the following areas for improvement:

  • The article needs inline citations

shirulashem (talk) 17:22, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Revision - June 2012[edit]

I started revising this article on 19 June. I would like to reorganize it into the following sections:

  • (1) Geology and Geography -- with sections on the physiographic provinces, the mountains, the watersheds, physical and political geography.
  • (2) History - a brief overview (this section has too much non-essential information) focusing on: (1) this area's prominence in dairy and grain farming, (2) the 18th-19th century iron mining and forge industry, (3) the 19th-20th century zinc mining industry, (4) settlement, colonial and early slavery (5) war participation (French and Indian, Revolutionary, Civil, WWI/WWII) (6) Camp Nordland rallies and the Kloprott trial, (7) the decline of the milk/dairy industry in the 1960s and the rise of bedroom communities since.
  • (3) Government and Politics - bare minimum, politics is aggrandizing so I'd like to avoid free advertisizing for the pols, and I would like to just mention who is in key offices, and the framework of the government.
  • (4) Economy -- existing sections cleaned up with sections on current agriculture (dairy, livestock, nursery/horticulture, horses, the 5 or 6 wineries, vegetable and fruit, etc.) and agri-tourism with cites to the USDA production statistics, the role of the bedroom community.
  • (5) Education -- Current schools, past closed important ones (Upsala College's wirth campus, Don Bosco)
  • (6) Section on demographics - religion figures, per capita income figures, households, average family size, labor force, etc.
  • (7) Recreation and Tourism
  • (8) References (9) Links, etc.

I would project that this article should have somewhere between 65-90 footnotes. Over the next few weeks, it is imperative to cite sources and backup claims.

The notable people's list, I'd like to move into a separate article.

Suggestions?/Comments?/Ideas? ColonelHenry (talk) 19:29, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

    • Practically the entire sections on "paleo-indians" and "european settlement" that were written before my beginning this revision are utter nonsense. I am removing them almost in their entirety.ColonelHenry (talk) 05:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for updating this article. I suspect that the "notable people" will migrate back to the main page if you move it, because it seems to be one of the favorite edits for casual contributors : sports figures and entertainers mostly, and of course occasional vandals adding their own names or nicknames. Everything else that you've edited looks good! —Jim Irwin (talk) 11:22, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks Jim. I see the notable people list like lists of alumni on a college article. Sure it's nice to point out the nobel laureates, fields medal winners; but it ends up becoming a me-too list or a list of insignificant athletes and pop stars. If you see anything I miss or see something to tinker with or add, feel free let me know. Citations coming. ;-)ColonelHenry (talk) 13:50, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Geographic location template[edit]

In going along with this revision, I am not entirely thrilled about the geographic location template in the adjacent counties subsection. It's a rather awkward template. I don't think it really enlightens doesn't serve its purpose. I think a basic map would accomplish this task better, and that the current text list is sufficient. I don't see anything on the wikiprojects or guidelines that would mandate its inclusion. Sure this template is on thousands of pages, but I'm not convinced that it's useful here or anywhere else. It is my intention to remove this template for these reasons--but I'll hold off for a few days to hear from other editors whether they would support or object to removing this template. Thanks in advance.ColonelHenry (talk) 21:19, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I would vote to keep the template, and get rid of the list above it, which just repeats the same information. To my eye, the template looks slightly more compact than the list in terms of vertical space, but it is a close tie. I'm neutral on the format, but do agree that one of them needs to go. — Jim Irwin (talk) 22:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm not a giant fan of these geographic location templates. I wouldn't add them to an article, but I don't see any reason to remove it. They tend to interfere with infoboxes on the top right of articles, so often I move them down to the bottom of the article, but I'm not sure how this article would be affected. Net net, I'd leave it in. Alansohn (talk) 22:50, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
To JimIrwin and Alansohn: Would a map be a sufficient substitute? A map would depict the geographic reality in a more adequate and accurate fashion. The oddity of a county that is shaped like a diamond. If we used a map, the list and the template (neither of which adequately depict the geographic reality) could be eradicated. ColonelHenry (talk) 02:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Wikiproject U.S. Counties guidelines (which I loosely am paying attention to), suggests only a "list of contiguous counties"--Perhaps a brief explanatory paragraph (especially explaining the borders) would be better.ColonelHenry (talk) 03:02, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
I tried something slightly different, tell me whether you guys like it or if I should revert it?ColonelHenry (talk) 03:47, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Photo Gallery[edit]

If I were to put a gallery of SC photos in the article (I would think 8-12 well chosen ones wouldn't be excessive)--any suggestions?ColonelHenry (talk) 03:06, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Things I'm likely not going to add to the article...and why[edit]

More will be added herewith as I weigh possibilities of what to include/exclude: (1) List of unincorporated towns/villages, etc. There are just too many. The county has roughly 150 active place names (some absolutely insignificant, others historically relevant). Then there are several places that have/had multiples names. It would be too confusing and too long. Wikipedia usually doesn't like unnecessary lists.ColonelHenry (talk) 03:10, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

history section reminders[edit]

List for association and as reminder to finish the section:

  • Lenape/Indians: Woodland Period, earlier periods. Schrabisch, rock shelters, Minisink site.
  • French and Indian War
  • Revolution: Symmes 1774 Remonstrance, James Moody (loyalist), Moody's Raids, Moody's Rock, Muckshaw Swamps, Pulaski's Legion, Sullivan Campaign, Port Jervis/Mackhackemack, Battle of Minisink,
  • Civil War - Samuel Fowler, Copperheads, Hugh Judson Kilpatrick, 15th New Jersey Volunteers,
  • World War II - Camp Nordland, Fletcher and the hovercraft in Sparta.

--ColonelHenry (talk) 18:25, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

ages ago there used to be good info in history section about the other wars, but it got deleted, probably accidentally, since the residue ended mid-sentence.

the history section first title mentions pre-lenape, but doesnt elaborate in the article. anything would help, e.g. about the prelenape layers along the delaware, and that schrabish didn't dig deep enough for those layers, and that the lenape themselves came east from the other side of the mississippi, etc.

nor is there any more any mention of early decker and the dutch from PA settlers of deckertown (sussex)(from whatever citation mentions that he was puzzled that those dutch companions of his preferred settling the mid-slopes while he preferred the lower lands there). — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:19, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

  • I am not familiar with earlier versions of the article, and have not gone through the history. The history section likely needs to be ceded to a soon to be created separate history article (i.e., "History of Sussex County, New Jersey") and the appropriate missing sections be discussed there. I have other projects that have kept me from this. I would need to summarize SC's history into two or three paragraphs and then ward off the article. Decker doesn't figure much except to say "he was founder of Deckertown (now Sussex) where he settled c. 1730", I am not aware of his reasons for settling in the Sussex borough area rather than minisink/old mine road and ask you to point me to them. As for the Lenape coming eastward across the Mississippi...those origins are discussed in the much discredited "Red Score" and the work of Rafinesque. I do not believe a protracted discussion of what better linguists and archaeologists have thrown out is not warranted here. --ColonelHenry (talk) 21:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Revision MAR2013[edit]

Images needed[edit]

This list is mostly a reminder for me, but if anyone else acquires photos in the meantime, I'd appreciate it.--ColonelHenry (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

  • Old Sussex County Courthouse, Newton, NJ.
  • Perhaps a picture of the new courthouse, old courthouse, and jail from Route 519/Mill Street Newton, for the Law enforcement section.
  • Picture of a current dairy farm or horse farm in the county.
  • Picture of a horticultural nursery in the county.
  • Sussex County Community College campus, preferably from Cty Rte 519.

Interesting facts to incorporate[edit]

  • for a nature section: SCNJ has the highest number of species (at 142) of dragonfly than any other county in North America.<ref name="SCNJMostDragonflies">O'Brien, Kathleen. [ "Why do dragonflies love Sussex County?"] in ''The Star-Ledger'' (8 June 2013).</ref>

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