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I don't understand this list of topics under "See also". I think the subheading of "topics" should be removed there and the list be culled to a bare minimum. Important topics should be linked to in the main text and then they don't need to appear under "See also".
In this Wikipedia article 'Sustainability; there is a sub-heading - 'Ecosocialist approach' on page 10 of 19 pages where the article states: “A steady-state capitalist economy is impossible” (with reference number 188).
At one time abolition of slavery was ‘impossible’, as was invention of the light bulb, human flight and space travel. Stating something is impossible is a blanket statement steering maybe 99% of readers away from the notion, one of whom may otherwise be an Einstein of economics and find a solution.
No one really knows if a steady state economy is possible or not, until it is tried.
At any rate I went straight to the reference source ‘Magdoff & Foster 2011, p. 56’. On page 56 and what we actually find is Magdoff and Foster posing the question (paraphrasing) why capitalists would go down the path of a steady state economy ? rather than a blank it is impossible statement. And in fact just before this question – on page 56 - Magdoff and Foster cite a reference (reference number 38 chapter 3) in their book "What Every Environmentalist Needs to Know about Capitalism" ISBN978-1-58367-241-9; citing an article by Philip Lawn, a senior lecturer in environmental and ecological economics at Flinders University in Adelaide, South Australia, titled “Is Steady-State Capitalism Viable ? A Review of the Issues and an Answer in the Affirmative”, The Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 1219 (2001): 1-25. I looked this up and found a 2015 reference to the same article.
I attempted to edit this statement from “A steady-state capitalist economy is impossible” to "To inveterate capitalists a steady-state capitalist economy is impossible” which is less final while still holding its original intent, but it has reverted to its original statement.
I am not egotistic about my edit. Just wanted to share the reasoning behind it so that you can make your own judgement on it. Michael de Mol 4th January 2016
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I added the following paragraph some time ago, but it was deleted. I will put this note here as a note that it could be included with citations from reliable sources to backup the information.
However, many examples can be thought of where gains in one sector can cause gains in another sector, which is supported by the three overlapping ellipses Venn Diagram. As stated previously, each sector are not mutually exclusive and can be mutually reinforcing or mutually destructive. For example, installing a solar system will lead to reduced environmental impacts compared to using energy derived from fossil fuels, reduce negative societal impacts resulting from the combustion of fossil fuels (e.g. the increased frequency and intensity of natural disasters causing deaths and injuries of humans, and destruction of the natural and built environment), and have positive economic impacts where the solar system is at or below grid parity. Thus, it is apparent that gains in one sector are not necessarily a loss in another, although may be the case in some situations. For example, chopping down a tree is an environmental loss but the timber from that tree may be used for social and economic benefits, e.g. the production of paper and furniture, which profit the producers when sold and have indirect economic benefits in terms of improved productivity. Note however, that if all environmental, cultural, political and economic aspects are 'appropriately' monetized (which can be highly subjective, e.g. how do you determine the monetary value of a thing such as a tree and it's relative value to other things?) then economic outcomes should accurately mirror cultural, political and environmental outcomes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jray310 (talk • contribs) 03:16, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
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